The year is 2040. You are admitted to ED and clerked by a Physician Associate. Sent to theatre, anaesthetised by an AA, and operated on by a SCP. You then wake up to the noise of an SHO mopping the floors and giving out teas.
@trishacurran23
@medicalmodelbri
@parthaskar
It is not an ‘intensive course in medicine’. That is the 4 year GEM. Their 2 year PgDip is a 3.0x speed skim read of common presentations. It in no way prepares them for patient facing roles, and I do struggle to see the value of a PA to the MDT. What do they bring?
@nigelpenfold
@jeannie_watkins
This is a very large conflict of interest. Everything in the literature that is positive about PAs has stemmed from undeclared or declared COIs.
This is a massive probity issue.
Additional achievements at medical school (ranking/essay prizes etc) being removed from IMT. How long until we’ve demeritised the profession enough that NTN allocation becomes random like the PIA for foundation programme? Utter shambles.
@gmcuk
Lots of words to say nothing.
Consultation was not extensive, the doctors you are forcing to supervise these individuals were not adequately represented in the consultation. Consultation should be reopened, you will find significantly different results.
@gmcuk
Incredibly dangerous. Listen to the tens of thousands of doctors imploring you to put an end to this farce. Look at the data. Listen to the stories. This is dangerous. This profession is dangerous.
@IncogAssociate
It really is about patient safety.
If you yourself say a doctor with 15 years of training can very rarely make a mistake, what chance does a random person with months of a run through ‘here’s the basics’ course have?
Just look at the Scotland NEs…
@BMAstudents
Beyond disappointing and damaging.
Student A with 0 publications, bottom decile, 0 posters or presentations has the same chance of securing an AFP as Student B with ++ publications, top decline, +++ posters/presentations ? Ridiculous
@hkg294
Heather, I understand it must be frustrating but this is doctors’ view on what a PA can safely do. I completely agree with it. And I struggle to see how it should be within PA’s decision-making to decide what they can and can’t do?
Yet another reminder to all doctors. This government only cares about themselves.
Never be gaslit until thinking the ‘taxpayer’ cannot afford to value you more highly.
@IncogAssociate
It isn’t a profession. It’s a group of people sharing an ill-fitting, self-bestowed title who each do whatever the fuck they want, with varying levels of success.
@VishwajeetP4t3l
What exactly is the PAs contribution to the MDT?
Please do let me know, have asked you for weeks and let you think for enough time. Surely you know?
@physicianassoci
@TheBMA
How isn’t it? Experience ≠ Medical School
Medicine isn’t a protocol. You can’t just play doctor because you’ve done it for a while. It’s never been like that and never will. Lives are at stake.
@IncogAssociate
It really is about patient safety.
If you yourself say a doctor with 15 years of training can very rarely make a mistake, what chance does a random person with months of a run through ‘here’s the basics’ course have?
Just look at the Scotland NEs…
@DrAsifQasim
@gmcuk
@drcolinm
If they’re not consulting about their existence, their regulation by GMC, their names, or their scope… what exactly are they consulting on?
@ExplosiveEnema2
@UMAPsUK
What is this one going on about? Practising medicine? Lots of incriminating evidence on here. Positive to see so many looking to retrain elsewhere.
@ExplosiveEnema2
I’m glad you did. We have indeed come a long way. Keep up the good work 🫡
Too little too late
@FutureHealthJ
, articles should be removed. This is a severe academic misconduct issue.
@Doc_IonaCollins
‘Physician’ also an issue in my opinion Dr Collins. It leave too much room for doubt. ‘Clinical assistant’ would be a perfectly reasonable and apt title?
@EileenBurns13
No. This ‘
#oneteam
’ narrative has been used long enough to silence doctors and prevent us from speaking out against this farce. The role of the PA needs to be critically examined, and we may find that there is no place in the MDT for them.
@csubbe
This is quite literally their purpose. To unburden doctors from mere service provision so they may train.
The issue is that we seem to have forgotten that. Physician Assistants are quite literally that, assistants to the physician. They assist so doctors may do the doctoring.
@CheekyClackers
Even then - why train at the cost of dedicated training time for medical students and resident doctors?
I for one will never train one.
@UKGastroDr
@RCPhysicians
@FPARCP
The RCP has seemingly done nothing to avoid this and has continued to put patients in danger. This is a very welcome change and one the consultants are quite happy about in my department!
@dr_merritt
“You raise a valid point to which I have no answer therefore I will simply dismiss it as I must be able to know who you are so I may report you for being unkind or ad hominem.”
Please use some critical thinking and ponder as to why so many doctors have taken to anonymity.
@RCOphth
Prior to even a pilot being conceived, your membership deserves to be consulted. Not only are they the ones who fund you, they are also the ones you intend to burden with supervision of these individuals. Please reflect on whether the rationale for this pilot.
@Bonivorlewis
@Molly2323232323
@JoOgidi
Please do share with us this evidence.
All of the PA-positive literature is riddled with COIs. Everything has been written by either PAs, PA course lecturers, or those with private practices exploiting the PA model.
@Xeon4f145d96s1
UK grads should have priority over those with non-UK PMQ for F1 and specialty training jobs.
It is not controversial. Every other country in the world does this.
Who disagrees?
@IncogAssociate
@makepumps666
Buddy, have you heard of proportions?
If there are more doctors, then even a 0.01% error rate = more errors observed.
Reality is there are much less of you quacks with much higher error rates which is just insanity to keep you going.
@NNUH
@AnnonMedic36970
This is shameful. Bunch of buzz words and zero content. A senior consultant at your hospital has admitted to a major COI influencing his incessant advocacy for these PA roles. This against a backdrop of irresponsible PA use in your hospital! Unbelievable.
@NNUH
@thatsnotmine125
Your hatred of doctors is palpable.
An F1 is a highly skilled individual being asked to fill a last minute shift. Why should that not incur considerable inflation to their hourly rate? It’s seen across every profession.
@EileenBurns13
Eileen, this is awful. There are thousands of doctors being BARRED from training, from providing ‘capacity’. Because this funding is instead funding these ‘roles’.
@TomStocks1982
PAs, in their current capacity, are unsafe. We need assistants to free doctors, not unqualified cheap labour to replace us at the cost of patient safety and quality of care. Senior management and policymakers are throwing patients and doctors under the bus for their knighthood.
@IncogAssociate
@DrNeenaJha
@TheBMA
It’s a perfectly accurate reflection of what your training should warrant. It is to protect patients, and the doctors who chance their GMC number with supervising your lot.
@drmattuk
@UMAPsUK
This is the cringiest thing I’ve ever heard. The second hand embarrassment I am feeling rn.
Keep up the good work
@drmattuk
. Don’t even blink at nonsense like this. How embarrassing for them.
@Lawrenc28443726
@KeeleyMP
What are you waffling about? Physician Assistants need to be regulated, held to account, and used in proportion to their minimal training. Not however they please. Patient safety is a priority, not your boredom. If PAs want progression, med school is the way forward. HCPC for you
@neurosurgerySpR
@trentconsultant
@DrHenryMarsh
@heyneurosurgeon
@gmcuk
Why did this ever become a controversial take? Hierarchies are needed, and work. Just as the armed forces rely on clear structures for efficiency and order, the NHS, now more than ever, needs strict hierarchies - just with systems in place to enable safe highlighting of issues.
@Xeon4f145d96s1
Progression is not guaranteed, nor a right. They are more than welcome to progress via GEM if they can get in.
Pay should be proportionate to qualification, responsibility and skill. Not future earnings nor progression linked…
@avonroon
@UKGastroDr
Genuine question - why are these patients not being seen and scoped by doctors?
Struggling to find doctors who would like these opportunities? I doubt it.
@ldndoc
@DrGoblin3
I read this one earlier and discussed it with colleagues. What a mockery. I cannot believe BMJ Open allowed this past peer review. Who is reviewing this??
Terrible design and outcomes chosen. I’m not entirely sure what the premise of this study even is!
@UKGastroDr
So this is how they’ll force us all to supervise the noctors?
The NHS is finished. Well and truly a two tier system. Good luck to the public!
@RedMendipBoy
@DocAnonX
@TheBMA
Is this your attempt at drawing some sort of equivalency?
What about a porter with 20 years of experience? Should they be evacuating subdurals? Should they be inducing patients? Should they be performing TAVIs?
@BMA_Consultants
Progress, but not there yet.
Hope SPAs and LTWP forced implementation and MAP supervision dealt with…
Recommend NO and strike personally.
@jamespyke
Because otherwise what’s the point of this role draining funding from the NHS? Why not just fill gaps with doctors, nurses, physios etc?
PAs are not needed. They were a bad solution to a problem that didn’t exist.
@RedMendipBoy
@DocAnonX
@TheBMA
Also, very curious you decided to ignore everything else in the tweet. Very curious indeed!
Please stop. You are so far down the pecking order that the knighthood isn’t even possible right now. Please educate yourself and reflect.