To the consternation of many, I don’t see how any christianity can be a good in the world if the possibility of an eternal hell (let alone full-blown infernalism) is considered anything other than the worst blasphemy and heresy against Christ. Apokatastasis or bust.
1. There’s no “orthodox doctrine of hell.”
2. Most universalists affirm a limited restorative hell.
3. If universalism is wrong, “God” is evil, & nothing matters.
4. If god is evil, better to be in hell than collude with evil in “heaven.”
5. Fear is an invalid base for theology.
The cost of being wrong universal salvation will occur is much more serious than the cost of being wrong in affirming the orthodox doctrine of hell.
If I'm wrong, I go to heaven. If they're wrong, they might go to hell.
Is it rational for all to act as if hell is possible?
Moderately hot take: circumcision is male genitalia mutilation. As such, outside of its specific covenantal context (which has been ultimately fulfilled in Christ and is now more broadly represented in baptism), it should never be recommended as a standard practice.
6. There is no logical reason that Christians who hold to the historic christian doctrines of apokatastasis would be in any personal risk of hell simply for being wrong about eschatology. Christian ethics only improves with universalism.
“People argue against the ordination of women because they’re afraid. They’re afraid of change. They’re afraid of entering into a new & unfamiliar world. & fear is not a good place from which to produce arguments.”
~ Andrew Louth, in Women and Ordination in the Orthodox Church
“Creation must be what it is. God must create, not because of an external compulsion, but because, as the fullness of reality, this is the fullness of the freedom to create that He has, in expressing Himself fully both as God in se and in alieno or in contraria.”
~ DBH
@DrMichaelLBrown
@TheYouNoWhos
Nonsense. Social pressure is what has caused most of this to come out. It’s no mistake that cultists restrict their victims from speaking to the outside world
7. God Godself is not strictly under judgment in this conversation, merely human theologies about God.
8. All parties appeal to reason & revelation, and all agree that God is the Good. Yet, that very belief can only mean the gospel via apokatastasis. Only it is consistent.
“The Godhead will really be all in all, embracing all and giving substance to all in itself, in that no being will have any movement separate from it and nobody will be deprived of its presence. … we shall be restored to the perfection of God's project.”
~ Maximus, Amb. 7.31
As much as the material doesn’t usually determine theology, the position that death began in time after sin is entirely contradicted by what we know of the universe
“Death was not part of nature; it became part of nature. God did not decree death from the beginning; he prescribed it as a remedy. Human life, because of sin ... began to experience the burden of wretchedness in unremitting labour and unbearable sorrow. There had to be a limit
“There is nothing more Godlike, nothing more mysterious, nothing mightier to elevate human beings to deification than divine love. For love is able to become pregnant with all the beautiful things that the logos of truth relates in the form of virtue.”
~ Maximus, Letter 2.1
“If all that is in God is God, and if the will of God is in God, the will of God is, therefore, God. For God there is no distinction between being and willing; rather for God being is identical with willing.”
~ John Scottus Eriugena, De Pred. 2.1
@EOrthodoxy
0rigen Commentary on the Gospel of John 1.33. Ed, and French trans. C. Blanc, SC 290 (Paris: Cerf, 1982); Eng. trans. in R. B. Heine, FC 89 (Washington, D.C. Catholic University of America Press, 1993).
Lol this book rocks. Greg Nyssa just took the Exodus verses where Moses orders the Israelites to take the Egyptians' stuff and said "He couldnt literally be commanding them to steal, thatd be wrong. What he meant was to 'steal' the hard-won knowledge of Pagan philosophy for God."
"[Gregory of Nyssa] clearly believed universal salvation in Christ to be the true testimony of scripture, and the only theological position that could adequately account for every dimension of the New Testament’s principal theological claims."
~ DBH, TASBS, 164
"When this [final perfection] happens, God will be all things in everything, encompassing all things and hypostasizing them in Himself.”
~ St Maximus the Confessor, Amb 7.31
A fun little introductory article in the Plough on Maximus and nature. I might have presumptively framed a few things differently, but it’s good to see Maximus being discussed in a publication!
Being all and in all, Christ lays slain this Good Friday in the caskets of 13,000 Gazan children.
We know not what we do, for we crucify him again in these little ones, and we say we are serving God.
Maranatha
@serene1662
You should check out
@AndrewRillera
’s new book on why PSA is a massive misunderstanding of the gospel:
Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death
“The recapitulation of the things created by God is God Himself. This is the mystery which circumscribes all the ages.”
~ Maximus Confessor, Ad Thal. 60.3
“Something illogical has been mixed in with the literal account in order for us to search for the true meaning of what has been written. … Thus, if we take this passage according to its literal sense, we will not find Scripture to be speaking truly.”
~ Maximus, QThal 65.19-20
For my entire life, anytime a pizza has been mentioned as having cheese in the crust, someone from my family says “ooo that’s tremendous.” Thanks
@philvischer
@RefrmdCatholic
St Paul: “All Israel will be saved” &
“There is no longer Jew or gentile”
Jesus in John: “when I am lifted up I will draw all humanity to me”
Rabbinic Judaism is not even mentioned in the NT directly
"The Word of God, born once in the flesh (such is his kindness and his goodness), is always willing to be born spiritually in those who desire him. In them he is born as an infant as he fashions himself in them by means of their virtues.”
~ St Maximus Confessor
Sad to see Chesterton has become a David Bentley Hart fan and clearly hates the church. He must clearly be a universalist and Gnostic. I must write a sincere review on the heresy of Orthodoxy!
“…as far as I know, in the fathers it never occurred to any of them that being created in the image of God had anything to do with being created male and female.”
~ Andrew Louth, in Women and Ordination in the Orthodox Church.
@EricVolz
@starcazm
@mistydedwards
The ELT has said that IHOPKC is its own third party because it is not Mike Bickle, which is ludicrous. Why should anyone trust IHOPKC leadership at all at this point?
@jessie_thinker
I don’t doubt that Misty was abused & manipulated in various capacities for decades, but that doesn’t undo her accountability for her own abuses & manipulations (as others have referenced will be airing shortly). MB was also surely abused, but he is still eminently accountable
“The entire purpose of the divinely inspired teachings is to lead our mind up to true blessedness. The definition of human blessedness is likeness to God.”
~ Gregory of Nyssa, On the Inscriptions of the Psalms
Hard universalism, in a profound way, misses the point of Christianity. It misses the point of the Cross and what we are saved from.
--James Dominic Rooney
“There is not an analogy between two different kinds of beings, but there is an analogy within the one infinite act of divine being, between the mode of creatureliness and the paternal fullness of the godhead.”
~ DBH
@NShrigs
@Orthodoxy2019
Actually not. Women were deacons if not more for many hundreds of years. See Pliny’s letter to Trajan for simple evidence of this
@scott_m_coley
I’m far from being a fan of Wolfe, but this statement itself doesn’t demand exclusivity, rather it sounds like Chesterton’s definition of patriotism as opposed to nationalism. With the right nuances it can be healthy.