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@Djuna22

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Vice Dean for Intellectual Life, Seattle U Law. Crim law/crim pro/evidence. Drug policy+intersections b/t criminal law/parenting/schooling. Former PD. She/her.

Seattle, WA
Joined December 2010
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@Djuna22
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My criminal law students are gifts that never stop giving. You just wish your students sent you this content.
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One of the things that "class not race" elides is that as a white person who is a first-gen college student from a family that ran out of money the 28th of every month, from the moment I got to college forward, every single person I encountered simply assumed that I belonged.
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@Djuna22
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I said it’s not for the truth of the matter asserted.
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@Djuna22
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My father, who is in hospice for terminal cancer and on many medications, just tried to get the home health aide to order delivery cocktails.
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@Djuna22
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@diannaeanderson I just put this on it the background while grading and now everyone is getting a higher score.
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@Djuna22
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I know I am not the first to say it, but one of the difficult things about law school is that your classmates talk to you about their successes, but not their failures, so when something goes wrong for you, you feel like it is just you.
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@joebirbigs I have twins in middle school with completely different class schedules and none of the emails ever say which kid it is and I am losing my dang mind.
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@clapifyoulikeme Did this my freshman year of college with someone's prep school (I grew up in the central valley of California, what did I know) and he literally never spoke to me again.
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Got an email late last night from a student and worried about opening it but it turns out they just wanted me to know they’d seen a man at the park walking a duck on a leash.
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@Djuna22
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Pro Zoom tip for any law students pivoting online for the next few weeks: if you have a pet, please get them on your screen and introduce them. Please. I am begging you.
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@Djuna22
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@malarkeymags @alittleleader Should start a line of matching mask-and-scrunchie sets.
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@JessicaValenti Just envisioning my trip to the store to get diapers, cranky baby or two in tow, gritting my teeth to get through this as quickly as possible, and now having to track someone down in this understaffed store who has a key.
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@Djuna22
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In light of today’s legal events, would like to remind everyone that I lost an offer at a Prestige Legal Job when the job found out I was pregnant.
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@Djuna22
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I had a thread go viral last week about my father who was in hospice and tried to get his home health aide to order takeout cocktails. He died today. I thought he seemed to be fading and had the nurse check on him; I went back in a few minutes later, and he had gone.
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@Djuna22
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I have a criminal law joke, but it is punishingly bad.
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@Djuna22
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Sighs in evidence professor.
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It’s literally all hearsay evidence. What a joke.
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@nhannahjones “My party ended slavery” and “my ancestors didn’t own slaves so why should I take responsibility for structural racism” Venn diagram is a circle.
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@jbouie Definitely my first assumption when someone is at my front door is that they are planning to break in and murder me, particularly if they leave.
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@rpmerkow My father had lots of delays in care in the spring of 2020 for oral cancer due to COVID and is now terminal. Earlier treatment may not have saved him. Or it might have. But, now, we don’t have to be in a position where people like my dad experience delays, if people vaccinate.
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@OKWildlifeDept Her daddy did make her get a boating license when she was fifteen.
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I am once again asking teachers to do me a solid and not send home family heritage projects.
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@annehelen They also seem to do that in a way that forces you to step into the shower and turn the water onto yourself before it is nice and hot, which.
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@Djuna22
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You can download the pattern from #subversivecrossstitch , anyone else who might need to stab some fabric right now to help cope.
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@sarahwcurtis What, no gender reveal?
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@kaitlancollins I have some former clients convicted of armed robbery who would like a word.
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@Djuna22
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Oh, Harvard, please do not ask me for money.
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@Djuna22
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I just got an email from a client I represented in 2003 who tracked me down and thanked me for being the best lawyer ever, and you will excuse me as I go cry now.
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@Djuna22
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@JohnJHarwood That is a bit more straightforward than floor plans from Zillow.
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@jaywillis I guess he couldn't be troubled to be the person taking care of their elderly relative.
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@Djuna22
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Whatever bad decisions you are going to make today you are not the lawyer who just walked into this gym, called his jailed client, and is having a client conference on the treadmill.
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@Djuna22
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First, I bought a Peloton. Today, true to the pandemic, I have adopted another kitten. Meet whatever name my kids assign to this little guy.
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I am not going to retweet that thing with the law student, but this is your periodic reminder that the people I represented in practice generally weren't permitted the grace of youthful errors.
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@katierogers In the TSA precheck line yesterday watched some dude take significantly longer to remove jacket/empty pockets/dump drink/etc. than it took the mom behind him to remove baby from carseat, deconstruct stroller, and stow baby gear. Guess who got the glares?
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What if I just had one question on my criminal law final and it was "what are we even doing, people"?
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Me: “I mean I am sure that is a bad idea.” Also me: well.
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@Djuna22
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For those keeping track, this is Judge Newman, who you may know from the Alex Murdaugh trial.
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - Judge halts South Carolina's new law banning abortions around 6 weeks of pregnancy so state Supreme Court can review.
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@karen_rackleff All gorgeous but I think you are extra radiant in #4 .
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@davidmackau Washington State reporting for duty.
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@SIfill_ I have a kid who is seven and she is lovely and wonderful and I cannot imagine giving her access to a gun.
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@Djuna22
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That's it. That's the thread. A test that took an arbitrary snapshot of me on a day I was sick has never mattered a day again in my 22-year career. No one would ever ask you for your LSAT scores in good faith unless you were, you know, applying to law school.
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@dmimno Yeah, I am an evidence law prof and I just go ahead and show My Cousin Vinny clips in class, you are welcome.
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@ASFleischman I swear I am on vacation from The Law this week but I cannot turn away.
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On the ten-year anniversary of buying my Honda Odyssey, someone has set it on fire, so any recommendations for a replacement vehicle? Must seat eight (two kids in boosters).
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Ten-year-old returned from a walk with a box of Oreos that he says “fell off an Oreo truck” that he proceeded to describe in detail. His twin confirms. I am ... not sure what to think.
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A few months ago, a high school student contacted me for an interview because they were working on a school newspaper article and read a law review article I wrote. How could you say no? Today they sent me a copy of the article, and it has made my week.
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@MuslimIQ @samswey A reminder for anyone arguing that government should do this rather than Bezos (which I don't disagree with, broadly): when we in Seattle tried to do so, Bezos blocked it:
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Sometimes things just go directly onto the class slides.
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@courtneymilan I really do not know when we stopped recognizing that you often want people available to perform tasks as/if needed, not literally performing tasks at all times.
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@Djuna22
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Just got the email that the superintendent of Seattle Public Schools will recommend starting the school year online. It’s the right call but.
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@jennyha_yes @laurenthehough What happens in 25 years if your picture has a picture? Do you go back to being a picture? Or are you now the frame’s frame?
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@likaluca Oh no I am wearing a stretchy polo-necked t-shirt dress and listening to Sarah McLachlan.
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@alittleleader “If I were on probation I would do everything perfectly” — person who has not been on time for an appointment since 2007.
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@ASlavitt Can you maybe talk a bit about young kids? They cannot get vaccinated and many of us are having to make tricky decisions now.
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@shannonrwatts This was one of my biggest fears as a teenager — my father kept a loaded gun accessible, and I was always worried when I came home late that he would mistake me for a burglar.
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@MorganGodvin Only some kids deserve childcare and only some parents should be able to access it.[/s] I am sorry, and as a person who has used that service frequently, I am going to contact them.
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@CanPanicNow Misread that as "should go to prison at least once" and thought "that seems like overkill" but, yes, definitely it would be useful for law students to see what actually happens to convicted persons.
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My fall 1Ls are going to be assigned today's 5-4 WA Supreme Court decision, holding that while riding lawnmowers are not vehicles for the purposes of vehicle theft, snowmobiles are:
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@maggieNYT "A person close to Trump."
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@McGeeReports @GovAbbott @teainfo My oldest had two friends suspended from school after a lockdown for letting a third friend into the classroom so they wouldn't get shot. This is what we want for our kids?
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@solomonmissouri They cancelled Babysitter’s Club which was about the only show our 6-50 household agreed on so.
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@MoiraDonegan I am simply incomparable at forging signatures and will be taking no further questions at this time.
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He also had a lifetime substance use disorder related to PTSD from his active duty in the Korean War, and another thing that shaped me is realizing how much worse my life would have been if his substance use disorder had resulted in prosecution and prison.
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@MoiraDonegan Call me nuts but I feel I, personally, would not get higher wages with the subordination of women.
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@katierogers I make a point of waving at any baby and telling that baby "good job, little person" every single flight.
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@anamariecox These two are not into military intervention but prefer a measured plan for withdrawal.
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A short thread about me and the LSAT. FYI, when I took the LSAT, I had been up all night with a bad cold and I fell asleep during the test. A proctor woke me up and told me I should go home. I finished it because I had paid for it, but sent in a fax to cancel my scores.
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Tucker: It might be time for Joe Biden to let us know Ketanji Brown Jackson’s LSAT score was. Why wouldn’t he tell us that…
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@MattGertz I just want to tell you that I sent the news to my kid and his first reaction was "WAIT POOR MATT GERTZ." My kid is 15.
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@tressiemcphd I am not touching anyone and can't punch anyone from six feet away and am not leaving my house but I am yelling at my people loudly on the interwebs.
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@AnitaYandle I would not say lost or confused but there are many things I will never do again and a lot of places I have decided to invest my energy instead.
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@AdamSerwer I know it is a separate problem from the sexism and homophobia, *but also* there are a lot of women who for various reasons do not or cannot breastfeed, obviously, and he’s making it sound like they don’t need to bond with their children either, I guess.
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Officially at the “purchased a Peloton” pandemic stage.
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Fax evidently didn't go through, and I got scores anyway and sent whatever they were to the one law school I was applying to. They took me, and I have literally never thought about my scores again. No one has asked me for them, because they are irrelevant.
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@KatAMacfarlane I know the material better than the students do, and I have practice experience that helps me understand what is helpful in (some) practice, but I don't know better than my students how they personally best organize info--even w/o the disability issue, I wouldn't ban them.
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Gosh that was totally illegal! Also absolutely no one thought it would be good for my career if I, for example, sued.
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@MoiraDonegan Weird how so many of these mass shootings start with men hurting the women closest to them, you know.
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Washington Supreme Court today holds that under Art. 1, S7 of the state constitution (our 4thA-like provision), a court may consider race and ethnicity when determining if a reasonable person would feel seized by law enforcement:
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@annehelen Eroding public financing for public schools also means more reliance on parent volunteers in schools, which presupposes a parent who is either free to volunteer or flexible to do so (and who doesn’t have a baby or toddler they are caring for).
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Saturday night tweet storm due to Events. First, yes, this is about the Rubenfeld/Chua situation. Like (I hope!) many law profs, I have been sickened (for students) about their behavior, and want to say here—I hear you, and it is not OK. (1/?)
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There is such a power dynamic between professors and students. No matter how genial we are, no matter how much we have student interests at heart, the truth is, when students laugh at your jokes, it isn’t (just) because you are funny, and “voluntary” things are ... not so much.
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@KearnsErinM Some of us just continue to dress like we did in the early 2000s which I suppose in a way solves that problem.
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@RMFifthCircuit I am guessing that if I let one of my kids sleep on feces for six days the state would take the kid into care.
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If we have discovered how many meetings really could be an email, let’s discover how many arrests could be a “stop that” or “let me drop you home” or “can I call someone for you.”
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BREAKING: Bexar County Judge -- County suspending arrests for minor offenses so to not crowd jail during public health emergency. No juries for 30 days.
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@AnthonyMKreis Wait so solid Gen X here and you cannot take this away from me.
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@rgay It automatically opens now every time I start my laptop.
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@Djuna22
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Today a federal court court enjoined Seattle police from tear gassing protesters and the WA Supreme Court granted diploma privilege to current bar registrants. Today, my friends, is a good day.
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Admit it, this is impressive.
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I tell you what, the family process of choosing a name for our puppy has demonstrated to me why it took fifteen rounds to pick a speaker.
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@DrRJKavanagh @WhenTheySeeUs We do actual drills in my house where they do not get to quit unless they use a downward inflection (my students think this is a joke, it is not a joke).
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My father shaped a lot of who I am. When I was small, he introduced me to his best childhood friend, who had been taken during WWII to the camps because his parents were Japanese. I had no idea before meeting his friend, and was shocked.
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@JenniferVEvans Bah. If I post a cat pick I get like twelve.
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I will teach for 1000 years and will never stop spending the entire exam time slot worrying about a call from the proctor about some disastrous error I've left in my exam.
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@dieworkwear This is why I knit my own sweaters. It's not economical, it takes forever, and I make weird color choices, but by golly, I know the sweater's quality (yarn great, knitting itself maybe more questionable).
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Don't ever get too cocky, folks.
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Just want to say for no reason in particular that my first day of 1L criminal law we do a table read from the Shkreli voir dire.
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@Lollardfish I would affirmatively welcome knitting. Knitting focuses me. Maybe I should bring the students yarn.
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@Djuna22
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As more states cancel bar exams within weeks of their scheduled dates, putting up online dates months from now, a friendly reminder that #DiplomaPrivilege is an option for states.
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@jackiantonovich @DanielleGembala I had the same teacher in second and sixth grade and she was Mrs. Smith in second and Mrs. Jones in sixth because she got ~~divorced~~ in between, not sure how we fragile kids survived that exposure to sin.
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@JillFilipovic Yeah, when I travel for work this is what I do every night (weirdly, I always thought it was more courteous than taking up a two-top table by myself).
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Let the Twitter record reflect that my actual answer to the “return to office work” question is that I actually need a third place because at home I do laundry and at the office I talk to people.
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Law professor math is thinking winter break will be plenty of time to finish your article before the February submissions cycle.
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