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How Christ should be depicted in light of racial controversies.
-What is Christ's skin colour?
-Why does he have white skin in some depictions?
-Can we depict him as a variety of races?
Here is the response from Holy Scripture and the venerable Tradition
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The Islamic position on abortion is not identical to the Catholic position. The Hanbali school for example allows abortion up to 40 days and the other schools allow it up to 120 if there are extenuating circumstances. Beyond that, someone who does abortion pays blood money.
James is talking about being inwardly inclined towards evil whereas Matthew is referring to an external entity trying to get Jesus to do evil (testing).
Exodus 17:1-2, Numbers 14:22, Hebrews 3:8-9, Acts 5:9 all refer to creatures tempting God.
Your fallacy is word-concept.
"God cannot be tempted by evil" James 1:13
"Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil." Matthew 4:1
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Never forget that the most respected woman in Islam (mentioned in the Quran over 70 times) is “Maryam”.
Or as us Christian’s call her, Mary mother of Jesus Christ who himself is a fundamental figure in the Islamic faith.
Do not tell me there is no common ground to stand on.
Protestants who used to denigrate Mary before converting to Orthodoxy I've noticed always end up having an extremely intense love for Our most glorious Lady, ever-virgin and Mother of Our God.
A testimony to the Holy Spirit's power to soften hearts and invert error.
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This is because ethnicities are merely accidental qualities of human subjects, St. John of Damascus says. Insisting Christ be depicted as your race to emphasise that he saves your race too totally misss the metaphysics of the incarnation & universal recapitulation of human nature
An argument often made is that Christ is universal, and saves all of humanity so we can represent him as any race we desire.
But to demand your own race to be depicted out of alleged concern for salvific accuracy is ironically a denial of universal human nature.
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The entire basis of the 7th ecumenical council was to insist on Christ's real humanity to be depicted in the icons of the Church, insisting on a real incarnation.
Playing around with different ethnic representations denies the universal aspect of human nature.
These days, some obtuse zealots obsess over race and want to erase this consistent 2000 year old tradition, for ethno-centric and ego-centric reasons.
They do this by saying 'white' depictions of Christ are racist, and that he was *really* sub-saharan African etc..
The most ancient detailed icon of Christ is the Pantocrator icon from St. Catherine's Monastery in Egypt, dated from the 6th century.
We can again see the similar characteristics of tanned white-ish skin, dark brown hair, and brown eyes.
Yes, Peter is the Rock.
And every bishop is Peter. Thus the episcopate as a whole is the Rock of which Peter is the type.
This is the interpretation of many Fathers including St. Cyprian.
The iconographic canons of the Church have always historically been followed by the Church.
For example, the icon 'made without hands' from 1100 AD Novgorod in Russia does not depict Christ as Slavic or Nordic.
This lineage defines Christ as a descendent from mediterranean peoples of his time. Modern research has demonstrated that these peoples are characterized by having a white-ish skin that is slightly tanned and dark hair.
Saint Paisios, one of the most famous contemporary saints, recounts once having been visited by Christ.
Here is the icon which was written after the encounter.
Christ retains his mediterranean-like semitic characteristics, but is slightly paler in his transfigured state.
One of the men in Christ's genaeological lineage to whom his is most often compared is the King Prophet David, who is described in the Scriptures as having light hair.
We can thus suppose that the lineage Christ is in had lighter skin than we may have perhaps already thought.
Fisrtly, the Scriptures don't give many details on the particular physical characteristics of Christ. However, the Bible does give a precise genaeology for Our Lord.
He is, among other things, from a Royal lineage in the Levant stretching all the way back to Adam.
There is an interesting factor to note about the Shroud of Turin, which was similarly taken from Constantinople during the crusades of 1204 - However it has remained in tact and the facial structure of the imprint in the shroud remarkably resembles that of the image of Edessa.
Representing Christ as other races foreign to Israel also denies his status as Messiah. The scriptures are clear that the Messiah will be a descendent of David, and a Judaean who himself said he came for the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel'.
Can you produce this survey? And what are the questions that were asked? Survey design 101 stipulates that the right questions are asked so as not to mislead. How could someone recommend something they are ignorant of.
Doing this also negates the historicity of Christ. He in fact became incarnate at a specific moment in time, in a specific geographical location *with Pilate* and born of a specific ethnic group.
This approach borders on gnosticism, a denial of the real human body of Our Lord.
Unfortunately this relic was lost or destroyed after the sack of Constantinople in 1204 after the crusades, but the tradition tells us that the image shows Christ as being white-ish skinned, having dark/brown hair, brown eyes and a beard.
The Councils also insist, contrary to some heretics who believe Christ is not truly human, that the Christ should not generally be depicted symbolically - like as a lamb.
We depict Christ in iconography as he really was.
There exists two exceptions to this usual representation, that make the Christ look more ethereal.
-The transfiguration (where Christ shines forth the divine energy of uncreated light)
-The ancient of days of Daniel 7, sometimes associated with Christ, having grey hair.
Now let us consider the depictions of Christ himself. The first attestation of a detailed image of Christ is that of Edessa. The piece of cloth, which after having been placed on Christ's face by St. Veronica left an imprint of his likeness.
This relic is from the 4th century.
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Christ is risen. Zeus was an angel who was given authority over 🌩️🌩️ in the Mediterranean but then rebelled against God and joined the ranks of the fallen angels.
It is worth noting that the more ancient frescoes that represent Christ depict him with similar characteristics (with the exception of the beard, perhaps to denote youthfulness), like this frescoe from the 3rd century.
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- Evangelical attempt to try and re-masculinize their churches.
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Daniel doesn't want to, because it might affect muslims' imaan (his words). The only conclusion is that the effect would be negative, otherwise wouldn't a debate be desirable? Is muslim imaan this fragile these days? Seems he prefers 'debating' budding Christians like Roosh.