@bucketshopcap
I make a distinction between hoverage and coverage
Coverage - have an updated model, have met with management past 6mo and a price target
Hoverage - stale model and I know the biz, only updating when sector/theme is actionable. Incl tiny foothold/starter pos & idea bankshots
@Chariot_Invest
A great book would just be like hundreds of case studies w/ contemporaneous news / sell side research / VIC chatter / estimates, 13Fs, idea dinner pitches etc.
To vicariously ‘live through’ the moments of truth, signposts and what the zeitgeist right bef perception shifted
@rhunterh
@tom_morganKCP
Beat me to it! But it deserves 2 comments tho. Here’s my exhaustive search for “movies like primer” and also “true or realistic investigative thrillers”. Favorite niches, there’s not enough
@RiskRewardSkew
YOU are in biz to generate P&L. THEY are in biz to generate sector/factor neutral intrasector relative alpha.
Their questions r useful for the latter. Market fees say healthy demand it
If they’ve met w/ mgmt 2x/qtr for all peers 4 yrs, big picture is redundant
It’s a dif biz
@FundamentEdge
Section 4-6 are so good. Having gone from MM->SM reading those felt like watching my edge erode in real-time. Good content. Pls stop though
@bucketshopcap
There’s alotta money to be made in names you don’t “know better than mgmt and all ur competitors” it’s faux pas to say that, but sometimes bankshots in your core idea, or having a large breadth of employable names to express thematic/short adjustments just makes more alpha
@ShippingNews8
Having been on both sides, the SM model wld benefit a lot from implementing aspects of podshop earnings season approach. Or should ignore short term. But evaluating/paying-mind-to daily reactions w/o measuring sector/mkt/factor impact or a window around print is counterproductive
@manualofideas
It’s a long way down still for most former high fliers till they reach BK-risk/option value/equity-stub territory. If you’re looking for that asymmetric u/d (less asymmetric when prob wtd) I’d argue you’ll find more levered equity stubs with torque in industrials land - more debt
@RiskRewardSkew
I’m not even at a pod, and there’s some silliness to it, but honestly when I see these takes I just see a wilful ignorance of how other market participants mandate/value-prop and alot of backpatting. Usually ‘everyone else is so dumb’ isn’t actually the explanation for anything
@Chariot_Invest
- movement of revisions & impact on the timing of alpha realization, especially relative alpha. ‘Shape’ of alpha
- options 4 alpha capture 2 express fundamental views (not quant/arb nor all the retail nonsense)
- IRR based research prioritization - beyond u/d: time-ability
@ChairliftCap
Screening & idea generation & ‘first pass’.
Getting a long pipeline of unique ideas & quickly narrowing it down and forcing existing ideas to compete with new ideas
@veryfinanceguy
Excluding today’s fiasco:
Delta - good if you’re expensing
Southwest - good for out of pocket
United - if u live in hub, > Delta
American - u didn’t rly need ur bags
JetBlue - cheap lie flat, if available
Spirit - cancellations & brawls
Hawaiian - pay triple for flower livery
@guastywinds
Yep - they usually try to paper over the cracks in the hull before it sinks
These w signposts help w/ timing, conviction & alpha capture
Lotsa new little tricks: UP-C/TRA, anti-dilutive exclusions, op lease calcs, contract acct’ing, ELOCs etc
That’s ur pocket bein picked
@bucketshopcap
I genuinely thought/think GLP-1 thesis tweets are parodies of AI hype. I am now second guessing that, but still pretty sure they’d jokes
@S_curvecap
@KvetchNRelease
I propose a little more originality:
- how does the promotional environment taste?
- if I was a number and that number was next quarter SSS would I be closer to 7% or 9%?
- what’s the cadence of the cadence?
@ChairliftCap
@thogge
I agree. Pretty fun. Less politics than most jobs, somewhat more meritocratic. Variety, intellectually engaging. No manual labor. Pretty good pay against often unrealistic expectations
@nottigeranalyst
@senatorcheese
@bucketshopcap
My bread & butter: self-sourced, hard-to-use, not mkt’d to wall st, 3p data.
Then mgmt/experts to triangulate/validate conclusions - then go check yipit & hope it’s totally wrong & everyone’s offsides.
That’s my ideal alt data use. Looking 4 unit econ/mix/competition not sss
@mycroftcap
@hfreflection
@Alpha_Theory
Did both, dif games.
For an MM: playing for levered intrasector stock-selection
Typical generalist SM: the sector-tilt also represents ‘selection’ alpha
IMO - SM who consciously/consistently/successfully takes sector tilts (arising from bottom up work) is good stock picking
@GrandTokamak
There’s arb in calling any algorithm “AI”, gets a multiple uplift. Airlines have been one of the biggest big-data users for decades. Little has changed. Airlines also love to say each year they achieved XXX millions in cost savings from YYY initiatives but never make money
@Molson_Hart
Brazilification - but it’s less about cronyism/corruption (which aren’t new) and more about technological advancement + global competition hollowing an American middle class that enjoyed a location-premium on labor for several decades
@puppyeh1
SAVE is probably a zero standalone
DOT has said they’ll block it if DOJ doesn’t
Political will is very against the deals and more levers to pull than people may appreciate
Don’t think the concessions to date move the needle
@lfg_cap
7th circle of hell reserved for companies that only give changes in WC in the K, and don’t tell u what segment or opex line the consolidated add backs came out of
@ChairliftCap
Mixture - screen for text in company descriptions/notes reflecting a fad-du-jour, or metrics like steadily declining margin, -ve FCF and recent o/p and mult >1SD vs hist. For me it starts with ‘what sort of situation is getting a thoughtless bid rn’ and trying to find examples
@jay_21_
Consumer facing industrial
The supply chain bullwhip working its way thru the value chain is the gift that keeps giving and readthroughs are not being appropriately priced, I guess everyone’s busy on AI expert calls
@ChairliftCap
Last year the best idea generation tool was simply going on the Robinhood app, picking the dumbest company and clicking ‘people also own’ lol
@AltaFoxCapital
@alixpasquet
A lot of the value of podshops is in the transfer of economics from Investment Team -> LP. They are Ryanair/Spirit, unbundling the alpha from the PnL and undercutting, making it up with scale and reliability. They pay labor less (fee % of alpha) adj for QOL & faster career growth
@Chariot_Invest
- practical application of factor-aware model, in excel, using Bloomberg not barra. Fundamental not quant perspective
- examples of truly creative primary research or alt data use. I understand why these aren’t public. But I love hearing about em
@pmje73
@MadThunderdome
We do a lot of work on airfares, advance purchase is off a cliff from late aug-oct and close in has weakened substantially last 3 weeks, 2nd half of airlines earnings guides should decel from strong peak (esp $ha)
@jay_21_
@MadThunderdome
No! Experiences over things! Revenge travel! Consumer balance sheet! All reopening will recover to 150% of pre-COVID and grow 3x gdp forever! Experiences over thingsssssss /s fave reopening shorts $ha $mcg $vcsa $skyw $ispo $sond
@nottigeranalyst
4Q result / 1Q guide IMO is the hardest season. Cause it’s all about FY guide, but it’s so early you just gotta guess what BS each management team can feasible make up, and revise later.
Meanwhile, resetting the 12mo clock means msny on deck or back burner ideas are calling
@SaaSletter
@NimbleOpinions
Story stocks still break, left-4-dead names still get a new story
Process imo takes 3-6qtrs
Be there for that inflection
Numbers are just how u express it
Numbers follow narrative
@S_curvecap
@pmje73
In the book “diary of a very bad year” the author is asked to define what his role as an investor is concisely: ‘liquidity provider’
While he’s credit guy, that lens is more and more elegant to me over time. Providing liquidity to sellers at attractive prob-wtd IRR (r/r+timing)
@KvetchNRelease
@mrboolean01
@S_curvecap
“Everytime I try to help my bearish friends see what a great company and stock your magnificent team has built, they ask me dumb questions like ‘why are they under-reserving for warranties’. What can I tell my dumb friends when they ask that?”
@VPCapital100
@LennyIce
With 5 competing peer pods in mtg, if I can make key Qs sound like minuteau nonsense it’s ideal. Ex.
“r u ordering E90 planes or MAXs” “stay tuned”
v
“What’s pilot/flt attendant ratio of trainees?” “2:3”
K, FAA regs = 1 FA / 50 seats. you’re ordering MAXs. Multiyr oversupply
@bucketshopcap
@PythiaR
@Beutty
Even 4 rote tasks, still gotta be RIGHT w/ black & white info compiling as a start. Just like 4 autonomous cars - 2% failure rate kills value prop
In IB days had outsourced data-entry service, 60k/yr & guy in Bangladesh spreads ur comps, 3% of the time it was wrong. Useless
@Beutty
@portseacapital
@inwoodcapital
Same - I start w/ single names, approach:
1) can I size & is work reusable (won’t go mile deep on insolvent frothy hoverbike spac)
2) peerset to expand to? If so build a model considering a future template
3) potential creative+data edge for group? If so more spend/time/depth
@LionheartInves1
Disagree. Many ideas I agree 80/20 rule (>60min imo). But if mandate allows u to size ur conviction - def had names that mile deep - (often creative alt data sourcing/usage or FOIA) yields variant view of biz economics -> lead prints & press shorts tactically. Best alpha$/time
@winsteadscap
In this case, it’s because of the toggle in first class to make it non refundable vs the main cabin refundable. Many corporate accounts require fully-refundable fares, so they segment the customer charge you (self-pay/leisure) $532 for First & expense-account-corp-guy $336 extra
@BucknSF
What % of expert network interviewers are seeking a confirmatory box check?
Popular/double-credit experts are the ones that check your box on buyside consensus
1. Counterfeit capitalism is running companies not to make money but to lose money. Financiers allow this for two reasons. One, they hope long-term losses turn into market power, aka Amazon. Two, they hope a bigger fool buys at a higher valuation, aka WeWork.
@StockJabber
- CEO has alot of ‘awards’
- Founder posts on LinkedIn
- Constantly resegments w/o historicals
- Mgmt can’t articulate capital allocation framework
- Mgmt goals are defined in peer-relative vs absolute terms
- Mgmt won’t give candid evaluation of competitors
@viggy_krishnan
@ShortSightedCap
@bucketshopcap
@pekwat
@WaterworldCapi1
SM guys think they know their companies better. On avg they do not, nor should they imo. Being good at sector bets & skating 2 puck & big picture & baskets & quick-look its own skill snd SM can monetize that, MM can’t. The human capital isn’t that different. Incentive reactions
@ShortSightedCap
@bucketshopcap
Dislocations to find & alpha to be captured horizons. Feels like many SM overestimate relative dif accurately forecasting 5yr vs 5mo. Some ideas def easier LT, if u have that duration/mandate enjoy ur luxury & do it. But open ur v_2019 models - how close was ur 2021/22 FCF? Mult?
@kouroshshafi
Yeah valuing capital intensive businesses on EBITDA(R) is silly when DAR is the primary good/service
Lease capitalization assumptions also vary widely and are manipulated, there’s no perfect measure, but eps is better for airlines. Normalized fcf would be better if there was any
@tom_morganKCP
brilliant and unique movie. One of those ‘thinky’ mindbender movies, but the best one imo. Gotta pay attention, and you’ll need to read an explanation after and will want to rewatch - not because there are holes. Also Coherence for same vibe, but simpler
@CapitalCap1tal
Summer ‘15 as an intern pounding the table on:
Long VRX $250 - compoundoor
Short ALGN $50 - competition short
The theses did not prove out
@bucketshopcap
On the best shorts, I find many passionate longs who won’t share any forecast / quantified view as a basis for good faith discussion. Idk if they really don’t have one at all or if they just don’t want to put nums and risk being wrong
@valuations_
Disagree, schools shld teach shorting.
What’s good for the world is ACCURATE asset prices.
By this logic, just max leverage.
Politician logic, the most destructive force in the world (rewards now, ignore future pain, all who disagree are evil). Unless I missed sarcasm
@FLinvestor_
Imo the most reliable dichotomy is respect for uncertainty, experienced investors have it - which leads to process vs. outcome orientation - which leads to being able to acknowledge mistakes knowing it’s not a reflection of skill