One of the strangest little fetishes in teaching is concern for proper citation style in college papers. Academic integrity can be preserved with minimal & improper citations, and in real life no one needs to have proper citation style until three seconds before publication.
Some people argue that Hamas's strategy is to maximize how many Palestinians are killed by Israel. This suggests a great way to foil the sinister plot of Hamas: a ceasefire.
If people around the world grasped that Hamas’s strategy depends on maximizing Palestinian civilian casualties, they would see the conflict in a different light. | Douglas J. Feith
@yhazony
Well, there are other ways to attack something than by bombing it. Noted supplement grifter but real life Seal Team 3 member Jocko Willink has a very different view from you both tactically and ethically—what do you know that he doesn't?
You basically have to be a conspiracy theorist - on just this issue all the major human rights and UN orgs are lying, genocide scholars, international law experts, etc. are wrong, hundreds of thousands of protesters including Jews in different countries are all antisemites.
Increasingly struck by how deeply and comprehensively unserious defences of Israel are. How much factual and legal information you need to casually disregard, how many of the most credible available sources you need to delegitimize, to be able to buy them. It's a post truth state
I don't know if I've ever seen anything quite like this. Bret Weinstein makes the slaughter of Israelis and Palestinians about himself. But not because he's some sort of important figure in this debate... rather he makes it about himself regarding totally unrelated topics.
okokok I will try to ease off on the Bretposting a little bit but jesus christ
Bret speculates that the invasion of Israel may be an attempt by "Goliath" to drive a wedge between Bret and some of his new antivax friends
@zunguzungu
It's truly remarkable and, imo, one of the primary areas where media is to blame for the poor public understanding of the conflict. It de facto reinforces the "If the Palestinians would just..." narrative, which in turn pseudo-justifies the occupation and everything it entails.
Question for philosopher parents!
How do you get your kid not to use "swear words" when all the norms against them are fake? The real reason not to use them—you will get in trouble from authoritarian taskmasters—is too easily discarded since the "trouble" is also fake.
@Yair_Rosenberg
That might be the first time I've seen the reverse dog whistle gambit: claiming that "Jews" is just code for "Zionists." Every day brings new wonders.
It finally happened. My 6yo is being taught the unambiguously confused "fact/opinion" distinction in public schools. This is one of the most difficult times for a philosopher parent. Please keep my family in your thoughts and prayers. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@mtracey
@mehdirhasan
"Maybe the most viscerally repulsive person in media" - Sorry, he has a long way to go to reach the heights of a Keith Olbermann or a Dave Rubin!
@LittleMammith
Do you just mean this as a strategic point? I agree that this is a W, but I also agree with critics that it is repulsive that the tipping point just happened to involve a celebrity and non-Palestinian deaths. Seems like a morally serious "whine" imo.
It is true that showing executions of innocent people on social media is uniquely gruesome and immoral, but keep in mind that when videos are proudly shown of giant apartment complexes etc. being destroyed, babies are being blown apart and burned to death and suffocated as well.
@AnshelPfeffer
I don't quite see why this would count as a conspiracy theory given Netanyahu's rather open desire over many years for the U.S. to be more directly confrontational with Iran, but in any case why should it be "clear" that Israel assessed Iran would only use proxies here?
"[N]early all the philosophers in these books did not have Ph.D.s in philosophy. Gilbert Ryle, J. L. Austin, Isaiah Berlin, Iris Murdoch, Philippa Foot, Elizabeth Anscombe, A. J. Ayer, R. M. Hare, Bernard Williams, and Derek Parfit"
"
This is an important fact and must be said repeatedly (people are paying attention now who had no interest in the conflict one week ago), but it should also be said that, even so, treating civilians like combatants because of how they voted is the Osama bin Laden doctrine.
"I really feel sorry for the suffering of the people of Gaza, but we should all remember: they elected Hamas 18 years ago."
Half of the population wasn't even alive 18 years ago.
Truly without exception, every single time I've seen someone use the "this wouldn't pass in a freshman class" cliche, it is about something that 99% of professors would reward with an A, and where many would even tell the student they should pursue graduate study in the field.
Frequently some academic scornfully announces my column would flunk their freshman class, to which I respond that their latest paper would have flunked my op-ed writing class, because it requires writing for people who aren’t getting paid to wade through boring, defensive prose
Suppose we define "being intelligent" as "being a large language model." From this we get the sensational, groundbreaking result that ChatGPT is intelligent.
This was a fairly awkward debate. The "Son of Hamas" guy speaks almost entirely in cliches and slogans, often incoherently appealing to his identity to challenge matters of historical record that he wasn't even there for anyway.
It is pedagogical malpractice to have someone submit a perfectly competent—even excellent—paper, but then mark them down because their citation style didn't follow some bureaucracy's pamphlet somewhere.
It is somewhat interesting to me that there is an entire field called "theology", and adjacent fields like religious studies, philosophy of religion, etc., and the experts in those fields—even combined over many decades—will never get the audience of one of two events like this.
@ytirawi
You seem to share a lot of these posts solely with screenshots rather than linking to the original material or even including the username of the alleged offender - is there a reason you do it that way? (General question, not just about this case.)
@christapeterso
It is ultimately an absolute marvel of propaganda that the questions "Does Gaza have a right to defend itself?" and "Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?" literally do not exist even as *debatable* questions in the discourse.
@jessesingal
@MarisaKabas
Do you think some of these people are not aware that you also work on other topics, to the point where you recently wrote an entire book about many of them? It's possible they literally don't know since presumably you only come across their radars on this stuff.
@EmmaVigeland
"we just spoke on MR" is a real stretch here. It was a world record for nonstop interruption, often to pursue tangents. The non-talk is summed up well by this from
@SamSeder
: "You were saying something and I was talking over you so I just wanna make sure you said it"
@ggreenwald
Do you mean he's fabricating the deleted tweet? Or the explanation of the apology? Or that there was a "smear"? Or the smear was "Islamophobic"? Or what?
One random example of his cringe-inducing ignorance is where he condemns the Palestinians for not having a formal constitution.
@marclamonthill
asks him if Israel has a constitution, and he just freezes up and asks Marc if he is joking. (Marc graciously moves on.)
@AsaWinstanley
Yeah, a lot of people seem to repeat that reckless headline version of the truth which is just that at a certain and in some ways Israel was favorable toward the rise of Hamas for reasons having to do with preventing Palestinian unity. (Or is your claim that too is inaccurate?)
I don't think I've ever seen a parody quite like this. In one sense very little effort to sound like Bill Maher, plus the specific things in the set are different, yet this is exactly - down to the molecular level - Maher's podcast.
Today - yes, November 21, year of our Lord 2023 - I listened to a discussion on NPR in which it was said that "most" people need not wear a mask "at the table" during Thanksgiving.
@jessesingal
@ShaiDavidai
The more fundamental point is that it is a random 1:30 video clip of a part of a college campus during a single day. The level of epistemic degradation when it comes to what people do with video on social media cannot be overstated.
I'm old enough to remember the days when a protest was considered violent due to things like burning down a police precinct. Nowadays, chants are violence.
(IMHO, chants aren't violence. E.g. I think the March for Israel in DC was peaceful yet they chanted "No ceasefire!")
The Torah portion for this week (Va-yera) includes the dialogue between Abraham and God, in which God concedes to Abraham that he would not wipe out a wicked city even if there were but ten innocent people living there.
@arash_tehran
Many major Palestinian scholars like Said, including ones currently living like Rashid Khalidi, have a much more accurate and nuanced understanding of what "Zionism" means than a lot of other people. I don't think it's really a linchpin issue but it's interesting.
@christapeterso
This is one of the (many) areas where there is such a disconnect between norms people accept in favored war contexts vs. any other context. The behavior is *uncontroversially* terroristic—esp. because the actual implicit threat is "whether you're still in it or not."
I enjoy following both of these individuals but am completely mystified by the confidence with which people carry on debates like this in both directions. The same goes for many technical matters. I suppose my first experience of this mystification was online debates about 9/11.
@jessesingal
Thanks. I agree that it would be quasi-miraculous if hormones were somehow isolated from such effects at all, though part of what perplexes me is how it is even possible to deal with such confounders as "culture" (including in a household more narrowly) to reach confident views.
@ggreenwald
Ok, thankfully
@mehdirhasan
himself posted a screenshot of the exchange with
@lhfang
(), which allowed me to utilize the Way Back Machine. Hasan left out that Fang was giving an argument by analogy. Sad!
@lhfang
What didn't happen? That you didn't attack me on Twitter by tying me to Qatar? Or that you didn't delete the tweets when our TI bosses intervened? Or that you didn't apologize to me privately?
Or are you saying you didn't mean the apology and were just pretending?
Very sad to hear this. Dr. Immanuel ("Manny") Kant was a letter writer for my grad school applications. Not sure I would have gotten into UNC-Chapel Hill without his guidance.
This sort of engagement with pop culture is so peculiar. No one actually has to make a Barbie movie *at all* - someone could, for example, make a feminist work for its own sake. It's like saying "If Reservoir Dogs really wanted to embody pacifism..."
If barbie really wanted to embody feminism, Greta Gerwig should have chosen lead stars that don’t conform to hyper-feminine and masculine ideals. Where’s the representation of women of colour, women who aren’t size 0 and don’t look perfect on this billboard? There isn’t.
I genuinely thought this was going to turn out to be fake, especially given the current headlines where journalists are being blown up by U.S.-funded bombs in Gaza. It's too much of a self-parody. But no,
@Acosta
really posted it!
Thank you, Jim
@Acosta
, for generously reminding the Nation of the 5-year anniversary of this profoundly important moment in American history.
You, Sir, are a true journalist who paid a severe price for trying to tell the truth in America. A man of risk and conviction.
@jessesingal
Well ok... so doesn't this make it not crazy to attribute to you the belief that there are pretty large numbers of people who regret their transition out there without having yet been identified?
@lastpositivist
There was even a tiny, obscure historical sequence whereby Zionists left parts of the rest of the world to congregate in that one patch.
@CashErrthing
@marclamonthill
On substantive matters I mostly agree with Finkelstein and Rabbani in that debate (though I quite like and respect Morris), but it's worth noting that Finkelstein himself went the insult route for a large percentage of the times
@TheOmniLiberal
said anything.
@olivertraldi
I think this is an interesting topic. A more dramatic case is The Boys, which has constant satire of wokeness (but mainly in the context of faux-woke corporations), is incredibly offensive in many ways (but ultimately has a white nationalist/Nazi-style villain), etc.
@lastpositivist
Analytic philosophy brain is hard to escape - for example, my analytic philosophy brain starting counting up the impressive number of problems with the argument before I snapped out of it and moved on.
Matt Walsh (an adult man) says pansexuals are "scary" because he doesn't know who they're attracted to: "Other people have a right to know if they are potential objects of your sexual fantasies"
This just seems like a basic misreading of their (albeit grammatically ambiguous) statement. Surely they are saying they refute the "hijacking" of their Jewishness and the Holocaust, not that they refute their Jewishness per se.
Writer/director Jonathan Glazer stood at the
#Oscars
and said, “We stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict”
There is a lot to debate in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but let’s be clear -
@CashErrthing
@marclamonthill
@TheOmniLiberal
And now you yourself are going the "insult route," as well as justifying Finkelstein doing the *exact* thing you originally said was bad. Sad stuff, and apart from its intrinsic risibility it's probably harmful to the goal of reaching outsiders.
@ggreenwald
I have never understood this interpretation of Colbert's response to him - shared by you, Rogan, Dore, etc. As he always does, Colbert seemed amused by Stewart and bantered with him about it, having difficulty controlling his laughter and smiling the entire time.
From the very beginning, my confident take on the Great Zoonotic vs. Lab Leak Debate has been, "Hmm... it is hard for me to figure this out by casually poking around online...". I'd say my take has aged quite well.
@marclamonthill
Also, some of his major works are praised by unquestionably mainstream and respected scholars. For instance, William Quandt - hardly a radical leftist - favorably blurbed "Image and Reality":
And Raul Hilberg praised "Holocaust Industry," etc.
This speaks to a common rhetorical sleight of hand, also applicable to discussion of who is a "rejectionist" in the peace process. The U.S. and Israel's rejection of proposals doesn't count as rejections, and Arab & Palestine proposals don't count as proposals.
@BriannaWu
You say that "Hamas are rejecting the ceasefire proposals" without noting the reasons Hamas is rejecting them, namely that Hamas wants an actual ceasefire (a cessation of hostilities) while Israel wants to reserve the right to continue pummeling Gaza and destroying Hamas.
@prageru
@ComicDaveSmith
@DennisPrager
@bungarsargon
@cenkuygur
@zerohedge
I was actually surprised by how superficial Prager's knowledge about the debate over the 2000 Camp David discussions was. All Dave Smith had to do was reference a book or two and all Prager could do was appeal to the totally unbiased source of... Bill Clinton.
I am sure that many of the citizens of Gaza who no longer have any functioning Internet or other communication with the outside world are watching this English-language address so that they can flee to the part of their land under a less intense bombing campaign.
The incredulous thing is that it's people with "Philosophy PhD" and "Philosophy Professor" in profiles confessing to have never read/understood basic philosophy texts. Perhaps universities are right in shutting philosophy departments, if this is the tuition level students get.
This was one of the few cases where an interviewer of Peterson stuck to their guns and narrowly focused on the direct implications of his sloppy and muddled formulations. Would like to see more of this, but most interviewers are either sycophants or fellow slop-mongers.
@jessesingal
Ok. Well now I am flummoxed! I think that either of those would be a big number, at least in a context where the number is said by some to be just in the hundreds! (Interesting to compare rhetoric on the other side about the big astonishing number of kids identifying as trans.)
Morbidly funny.
Taken at face value, this illustrates how anything beyond words is literally not even on the minds of people like Pelosi. In asking for examples she suggests anything beyond empty rhetoric is unthinkable to her.
Nancy Pelosi crumbles when asked: "But there are levers that Biden hasn't used. There are levers that previous presidents have used when Israel has, in their view, crossed a line"
Pelosi: "For example?"
"Eisenhower threatened sanctions..Reagan held up delivery of fighter
@morallawwithin
Exactly. The ONE thing that analytic philosophy got absolutely right is that graduate students don't need to learn any languages except English.
Bari Weiss didn't like people mocking this story, which has now been debunked by Israeli journalists -
As
@ggreenwald
points out (), such claims were some of the most viral.
But in the real world, Refaat was just killed by Israel.
@jessesingal
It's weak tea as a basis for the original claim, but because you mention the number of people in the Reddit—17,000+—and only qualify that not "all" of them are detransitioners, it's reasonable to infer you think *quite a bit more* than hundreds are.
@jessesingal
It's not a good basis for what is said in the article, though it's reasonable to think that you suspect it's quite a bit more than hundreds. You point out the Reddit has 17,000+ people and merely say "not all" are detransitioners.
@freganmitts
@mpigliucci
No no no, he just means works written after the great and well-known "theism isn't serious" results from the experiments of the early 1900s.
Sometimes I make a mental decision to finally catch up on things, receive a rush of endorphins as if I've done so, and then fail to do so because the motivational anxiety and tension have dissipated.
I think my personal favorite was Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize literally before doing anything, only to then bomb seven Muslim countries and ratchet up the drone program. Might not be the funniest, but it's my favorite.
People are really this in the dark. It's extremely sad but a testament to pro-Israel propaganda on this score. Here is a basically random example, picked only because it's fairly recent:
Here is
@marclamonthill
asking
@normfinkelstein
about
@coldxman
's view:
Finkelstein gives a fuller picture of the support for using the term, referring as well to other experts and political figures like Amira Haaz, Baruch Kimmerling, and Giora Eiland.
@CashErrthing
@marclamonthill
@TheOmniLiberal
In fact,
@TheOmniLiberal
would literally be reading from a primary document and Finkelstein would start - again, literally - screaming at him about how he only reads Wikipedia. Finkelstein was objectively at his absolute worst when engaging Destiny. (Hill is a stark contrast!)
If anyone reading this knows The Science® from previous years that shows the effectiveness of wearing a mask between bites of turkey at a table, please post those here. 🔬👨🏻🔬🧬
Cooper just moves on to the next guy. Not only is the claim factually false—Hamas received 44% of the vote in the 2006, most living Gazans weren't of voting age, and voting doesn't make you a combatant in law or in ethics—but the concept at work is indeed "genocidal".
Anderson Cooper's guest tonight, former Israeli intelligence chief:
"The noncombatant population in the Gaza strip is really a nonexistent term because all of the Gazans voted for Hamas, and as we have seen on 7th of October most of the population in the Gaza strip are Hamas."
@ggreenwald
But that was a *joke* - from a friend who was laughing and smiling the entire time. I don't see why people like yourself can't help exaggerate this particular aspect of the exchange. These millionaires can defend themselves of course but it's just strange to me.
Has anyone ever done a write-up of all the completely silly things centenarians have said about why they lived so long? Also, has any centenarian ever said, "Oh, well, my own practices are kind of irrelevant... here is what the peer-reviewed literature says on longevity..."
@mtracey
This is a little bit awkward though since you did do a meta-tweet about U.S. politician social media behavior. Equally as posturing, though posturing about something of more value (the mockery of posturing). You've made a kind of aesthetic sacrifice for the point.