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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

For no good reason (no one asked me) I've decided to post a list of China-related hoaxes, and to debunk them. The hoaxes I'll be covering are: 1. Mao's (or his policies) killed 50 million Chinese during the Great Leap Forward. (Spoiler Alert: no he didn't). 2. The Chinese…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

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@AsiaSocietyNY @ForeignPolicy @BeijingPalmer @ChinaFile "As soon as I started taking my medication, all my Uighur sources disappeared."

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3 years

@RaheemKassam This is news to you? hard science (evolutionary biology) and observable reality proved racial classifications obsolete decades ago. Where you been?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

My thought for the day: The Chinese have seen a millennium worth of transformation in a few short decades. If you've never experienced that, you'd think it impossible. If you had, you'd think nothing's impossible. China is 1.4B people who believe anything's possible!

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

NO, MAO DID NOT KILL 50 MILLION CHINESE DURING THE GREAT LEAP FORWARD This factoid entered conventional China wisdom at least 50 years ago, and there it remains, suffering not at all from lack of evidence. It's an "everybody knows" fact. Actually, there have been many estimates…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

11 months

@thisisnefertiti @megan_blush_ It looks similar to a lot of factories here in China. Nothing like a "model unit". I should know as I've been starting, expanding, and running factories in China for 23 years. Sweatshops in today's China (if they exist at all) are few, and located far from the beaten path.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

NO, UYGUYRS IN XINJIANG ARE NOT BEING GENOCIDED, CULTURALLY GENOCIDED, OR ENSLAVED There are now about 12million Uyghurs living in or near Xinjiang and there is NO evidence of a genocide, of cultural genocide, or concentration camps, or of enslavement. There are interest groups…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@RnaudBertrand Them: I know China. I worked in a company that did business with them. Let me tell you *all* about it. Me:Been here 35 yrs, maybe I can tell *you* about it. Them: You're too close to the subject, so can't see it as clearly as I can.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

NO, THE CHINESE GOVT DID NOT MASSACRE PROTESTORS AT TAM (OR ELSEWHERE) ON OR AROUND 6/4/1989 While there WAS violence (in both directions) between the Govt. and the protestors, 3rd-party contemporaneous reports as well as statements against interest show there was no massacre.…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

NO, CHINA DID NOT IMPLEMENT A DYSTOPIAN SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM Noone I've asked in China thinks they have such a thing as a social credit score. I have seen, once or twice, large corporate borrowers named and shamed, I don't know if it's still being done, or if it was tried and…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 months

@gunsnrosesgirl3 How do they get them to swim back to the boat?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@MichelleDixy The US is a country whose military goes broke serving corporations & cant understand a country whose corporations thrive while serving the people.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@RnaudBertrand Tomorrows NYT headline: Uygher woman lives to 135 breaking all longevity records, but at what cost?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

18 days

@JuliannaFrieman Honest question: how is this 52:1 ratio measured? Wouldn't the algorithms serve up more of one and less of another based on criteria ONLY KNOWN to TikTok? Or can they effectively take random samoling from the "firehose"?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 year

@DanielDumbrill Congratulations! I got mine last year.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@polijunkie_aus Scale matters. Also, China didn't have the world's only economic superpower supporting it, it had that superpower working against it.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

10 months

@chineseciv So you've dispised with the whole "I hate the CCP but love the Chinese people" charade. You hate *all* of Chinese society for having the "wrong" religion or worldview.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

16 days

@shaunrein4CPC @shaunrein China blocks ALL platforms that won't comply with local laws. All of them, whether foreign or domestic. The US, on the other hand, wrote a dodgy law to apply to exactly one platform, while allowing all others to operate in the market. Not the same.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 months

@RnaudBertrand I got my Chinese licence renewed in about an hour DESPITE the facts that it had already expired, and that the previous agency used an old photo (which needed to be rectified). And now my licence lives in an app, so i don't need to take it with me.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

*A caption in my post about the 50 million contains an error. The CIA report estimates a shortfall of 7 milliin oer year, AND NOT 7 million total as I wrote. It doesn't change the main points... 1) shortfall was unknowable as baselune data was off, 2) records were not well…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

18 days

@mitchpresnick Almost every living American was born into the US's heyday, and can imagine no other reality despite it's obvious decline. Almost every Chinese was born into an impoverished country now entering it's heyday. They imagine anything's possible and make it so.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@thinking_panda Hakka launch techs need to do laundry like everyone else.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 month

@Noahpinion Honest questions: 1. What's the evidence that Tesla's Chinese competitors stole its tech? What exactly did they steal? 2. Since Tesla & its competitors all manufacture in the China (meaning they all have access to the same "cheap labor"), why can't Tesla compete against them?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

11 months

@mariocavolo @thisisnefertiti @megan_blush_ Of course. But at the same time the factory shown in the video is not unrepresentative of Chinese factories. There's zero indication that it's must be a "model unit". I'm a chinese manufacturing guy. To me it looks like a normal Chinese factory.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@tomgrundy Absolutely! Because nothing says "cultural genocide" like promoting that culture on the biggest media event of the year. Maybe you are unaware... the Xinjiang (cultural or physical) genocide/slavery trope is a hoax.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@BeijingDai China's social contract (which works well for the Chinese) is different than those in western countries. That the contract works so well seems to be at the heart of current US animosity towards China. It doesn't threaten America, it only threatens American Exceptionalism.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

26 days

@SariArhoHavren China prioritizes individual well-being over political theater. It HAS rule of law, which requires enforcement. Everyone in a developed is monitored to some extent... who can say when it's too much? We who live here enjoy safe streets & convenient cities. It's not dystopian at…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@BigSlothOne Thanks. This wasn't intended to make any point at all.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@_JakubJanda No, they are celebrating an imperfect man who led the Chinese to victory in battle, led through famine & turmoil, brought power to poor farmers, increased life expectancy, literacy, GDP & who brought the PRC out of isolation.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 years

@Tom_Fowdy Our factory is in Suzhou SIP. For just over 1 week we were required to cut our power use by about 5 to 10 percent. The restrictions ended about a week ago.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

7 months

@ShangguanJiewen When China-US relations were good, Chinese people treated me well. That goes for neighbors, colleagues, officials, etc. Mutual respect and friendliness were expected and received by all. When China-US relations soured, Chinese treated me EXACTLY the same way.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

24 days

@Noahpinion Are you claiming that Tesla's IP has been infringed? If so, what technology would that be? it would. If competitors used non-propriatery technology, even though pioneered by Tesla, so what?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@tmcgregorchina Living and working in Suzhou and Shenzhen, I have not seen or heard of empty shelves. I *never* heard mention of food insecurity at all. (Except on YouTube).

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

10 months

@mitchpresnick I came to China in 1986 and I've been living here ever since. I've always said this: "If you didn't witness China's rise you'd think it impossible. If you did witness it you'd think nothing's impossible." The Chinese have witnessed it and (fortunately) can't unsee it.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 year

@JackPosobiec China never claims to have the *oldest* civilization. Xi didn't say that either. They only say it's very old... which it is.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

18 days

@RnaudBertrand Small countries "created" in the tug-of-war between poweful countries (US, CN, RU) CANNOT be independent. It's not how the world works. Even if TW declared independence and CN did nothing but break off economic relations, it would soon be a US dependency, not a sovereign state.…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

4 months

@BeijingDai It's easy to denegrate all collectivist endeavors, but ONLY if you either a) ignore the Chinese experience of the oast 30 years or b) promote the lie that Chinese successes are *actually* failures.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@xinjiangalex I've always appreciated how Chinese never changed their attitudes towards me when China-US relations soured. Never once has it come between me & Chinese neighbors, friends, colleagues, strangers, etc. Sadly, we can't say the same on the US side.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

24 days

@Noahpinion @M_Ammar814 You accuse them of appropriating Western technology, but in the comments you admit it was purchased, not appropriated. Big difference, no? Likewise, we can read "squeezed out" as "out performed".

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@AndyBxxx Is it just possible, just possible, that the relevant decision-makers in Africa are capable of determining those costs, weighing them against benefits, and making rational decisions on whether or not to commence building?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 year

@mortenhjm Been in China 35+ years, the majority in China manufacturing. 100 percent agree.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@ShangguanJiewen Congratulations. I'm starting the process after CNY holiday. I was already pretty happy with green card, but having a Chinese ID-compatible number will be icing on the cake.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@TIANDongdongXHS Thanks for the kind words.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@_Skitalets_ I can help by telling you what *didn't* happen. No massacre No tanks running over people No troops firing into crowds Hope it helps.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 month

@OptionTekTrader @zapatas_mom The photo labeled "CHINA" was taken in HK likely in the mid 1980s. The area was known ad the "Kowloon Walled City". After the handover, the Chinese govt. tore it down and built a park there.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 years

@georgesoros It's not a “crackdown on private enterprise”. It is, mostly, a crackdown on oligarchy, monopoly, and other harmful activities associated with the most powerful corporations and the very wealthiest of the wealthy. There's a big difference.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

7 months

@BeijingDai I always say: "If you didn't see China's transformation with your own eyes, you wouldn't think it possible. Having seen it yourself, though, you'd think anything's possible." Making generational improvement within a generation powerful stuff.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@NikkiHaley You know very well (or you should) that Chinese planes have NOT been flying over Taiwan. They have NOT been overflying Taiwan airspace. Have NOT been flying toward Taiwan. Skirting an ADIZ is NOT an incursion or threat. If course you know this, but do u understand that lying 1/x

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@realsteelmuslim I guess 7 years is long enough to learn bad manners.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@julianku Fixed it:"What I can say is we absolutely acknowledge the horrifying things that propagandists want us to think is happening to the Uyghurs. I mean, this imaginary genocide is so horrifying we should treat it as if it were real, and get a free ticket on the outrage express.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@nikstankovic_ @pranevski @LowStudies Present or former in-country expats who failed to achieve need a self-soothing support group to reinforce the "China Sucks" narrative. Winston provides the fetish porn they need. He's simoky tapped into a market. (Likewise, westerners anxious about China rising to challenge…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

17 days

How was this 52:1 ratio measured? Based on what sample? Since the videos served up to TikTok users are curated to create individual experiences based on demographics, users' viewing habits and various algorithmic "secret sauces", they are inherantly and…

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NYU Professor Scott Galloway blamed China for anti-Israel protests on college campuses on “Morning Joe.” “If you look at TikTok, there are 52 videos that are pro-Hamas or pro-Palestinian for every one served on Israel.”

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@mariocavolo Tom Cotton seems to think membership in the CPC is a dirty little secret that requires professional interrogation techniques to unearth. Membership is transparent and a matter of record.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@lizpeek Hey @lizpeek , #EieenGu is not a US soldier nor is she under contract to the US Olympic team. She trained where she trained and can compete whereever she qualifies. The US didn't make her successful, she trained to achieve it. None of your business.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

6 months

So there are very detailed satellite images of Xinjiang cotton fields. Shouldn't they be able to determine whether or the harvest is labor-intensive or mechanized? If mechanized the Uyghur slave labor narrative can be debunked in a minute. No?

Will China’s Xinjiang cotton output get a boost from Western satellites?

Researchers say a satellite imagery survey will help improve policymaking and crop management in the far west region.

www.scmp.com

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

10 months

@chenweihua @POLITICOEurope Not to mention the pollution and CO2 footprint of the US military. The costs of feeding the MIC is staggering.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 year

@BethanyAllenEbr I've lived in TW, Shenzhen & Suzhou for abt. 35 years. Love both TW & Mainland. In neither place have I been treated as a representative of my country. Always respected as an individual.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@everyonecalmdwn @thinking_panda Because it's almost universally understood by the constituency, maybe?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

4 months

@niubi It doesn't matter how much land China ceded, their existing (and credible) territorial claims are disregarded by the "Rules-based" Order, because "China bad".

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@Jerry_grey2002 Does anyone ask "why"? What benefit would Beijing get from brutalizing a population that the majority Chinese don't hate? Why would they sow discontent in regions that border some messy neighborhoods? Mandatory education makes sense. Brutality doesn't.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@RnaudBertrand It's 1 reason Chinese are content with their system. Generational social mobility was promised and delivered. Through education, the poor can see their kids get engineering degrees and land firmly in the middle class.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@emharris33 The evidence is clear, public, and fabricated.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

10 months

@chineseciv You hope they will adopt your yeligion and your worldview? And until then 1.4B chinese just aren't up to your standards. Wow!

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 months

@Angel44441722 China is contractionist, not expansionist. The PRC, since it's founding, has *relinquished* 1.5M+ Km2 of inherited territorial claims, incl all of Mongolia & some areas of Russia & SE Asia. It even *shrank* it's SCS claim. (PRC inherited an 11-dash line and gave up 2 dashes)

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@dancerinmaya Just posted #1 . It's long and boring, but It's out there.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 years

@davereaboi She needs to lay off the Ambien.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 years

@MOFA_Taiwan @MoNDefense The ADIZ =/= “Taiwan airspace”. The ADIZ is a zone declared *unilaterally*, where TW requires *civilian* aircraft to ID themselves. TW's ADIZ extends far into Mainland China's airspace. It's not an incursion.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@shaunrein Congress has maybe 10% approval rating in the US, but 80% of incumbents get reelected anyway. It's odd.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 months

@Magnus_Fiskesjo @ZhaiXiang5 Don't the Japanese caricature Samuri warriors and their blood-stained weapons? Of course they can go to Stockholm and see the real thing at The Museum of Far East Antiquities.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@mariocavolo Or ransacking the legislature.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

26 days

@USAmbChina How is it that the US ambassador lacks cursory knowledge of the country to which he's assigned? China has freedom of religion, but adherants may not break the laws. It's in China's constitution which differs frm the US constitution. It's for the benefit of Chinese & IT WORKS!

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

10 months

@dekach1n @anderscorr US companies and individuals are free to operate in China if they follow Chinese law. Don't break Chinese law and you’ll be fine here.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@polijunkie_aus The point you're missing is this: If those tanks were on their way to crush Chinese protesters, why did they treat this one random guy so gently? Can you not see how the tank commander's (evidenced) behavior was incompatible with the (unevidenced) claim of a "massacre"?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

4 years

@niubi Honest question, Bill. Which countries do *not*, given the ability, modernize their militaries and improve their strategic positions? Why would the US expect China, with US military assets dug into it's front yard, to do anything *but* modernize?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

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@JuliannaFrieman And if it's an accurate reflection of what's offered, couldn't that be a function of the demographic, rather than an effort by the platform?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@nikstankovic_ Kind of feels like Steve Jobs was reinCARnated into the Chinese EV industry.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

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@chineseciv You are mistaken. China's government makes no claims about the human spirit, and spirituality is not its concern. China's governence is a pragmatic endeavor, striving (successfully) to remain popular by benefiting the Chinese people.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

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@ualogic @BeijingDai Yes, you are missing something. He was referring to entering US *markets*.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

4 months

@donaldcclarke The fact remains-- China gets bashed for its imagined expanionism when, in fact, it resolved its inherited disputes by ceding massive amounts of territory to its counterparties. Taiwan needn't be "taken over" to satisfy Beijing. It need only to respect the status quo & get on…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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@ninadn21 Many of the GLF policies worked! 1. The exaggerated "starvation" stats are misreadings of the CIA report in 1970. They reported a *theoretical* population shortfall (NOT a body count). 2. Metrics such as life expectancy, rural electrification, and and deadly disease eradication…

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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@mariocavolo I used to tell the story of my 凉皮 vendor in Shenzhen. Every day selling 凉皮 at a street cart for about $1 ea. One day she said bye bye. Her son was graduating from university with a BSEE. She and her hubby were going back to Shaanxi. Selling 凉皮 on the street had done

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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5 months

@dancerinmaya Thanks for the kind words.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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9 months

@xsnipersgox @RnaudBertrand I've been fine here in China for 23 years, even though the US has pissed China off a million times. In China you will be fine indefinitely unless you break the law.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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5 months

@No_More_China You are way off. Company dinners and similar often have Aussie lobster. They are for sale in markets where elites never shop. Same for Aussie mantis shrimp. Not cheap, but not the most expensive dish on the table.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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5 months

@ElbridgeColby China is not expansionist. It has been dismantling the long-established territorial claims it inherited in 1949. IDK if "contractionist" is a word, but it could be used to describe the PRC.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

Or, maybe... "China's awe-inspiring success in eliminating poverty and growing the world's biggest middle class. "

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

24 days

@Noahpinion @KrishanuAR @Senjumaru91 What do you mean "clone Android"? It's open source. They don't have to "clone" it.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@yangxifan Maybe he doesn't feel abused, just disappointed (understandably so), about missing the holiday. Maybe he's savvy enough to know how likely you are to exploit the situation and twist it to fit your narrative. Clearly, he does not see you as his savior

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@RnaudBertrand And the article goes on to repeat the lie that: “Between Oct. 1 and 4, China’s air force flew nearly 150 war planes into Taiwan’s airspace...” No, it didn't.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 months

@polijunkie_aus "[W]estern platforms are all banned..." is a common misconception. Google et al refused to follow the same laws as Chinese platforms all follow. They weren't kicked out. They CHOSE to leave rather than follow the law.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

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2 years

Recycled propaganda.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 months

@KevinTilstone @xinjiangalex So what? Waiguoren in this context just means "not Chinese". It's not even a tad pejorative. If you think it only means "foreigner" you don't understand how 外 is used in Chinese.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@WilliamYang120 Please, please stop talking about the ADIZ as if it means "Taiwanese airspace". It's horribly misleading. Much of the ADIZ covers PRC territory. And there is no such thing as "Taiwan' s Southwestern ADIZ". You just made that up.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@0xhaeli05 @OopsGuess Actually, my Chinese name is official, and it's necessary for some of my documentation. It's actually a name Chinese people know me by, so it's been in actual use for decades. Not cringe, practical.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

3 years

@carlitosonchina Been in China since 1986 (including a stint in Taiwan). Chinese people have been great to me. Respect and gratitude!

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

26 days

@SariArhoHavren Judiciary independence is not a binary. Even if it's agreed that the US has a more independent judiciary than does Japan or China, that doesn't mean Japan & China don't have rule of law. Judiciary independence anywhere has its limits. True for the US, Japan, China & elsewhere.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

1 year

@macastel3 Not necessarily so. I'm number in your category 2 (probably also 3). I am now planning to retire in China.

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

11 months

The "1 Yuan Teashop" （一元茶馆）in DiGang Ancient Town (荻港古镇). On the Grand Canal in Huzhou, Zhejiang Province (浙江湖州).

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

5 months

@BarrettYouTube None of us knew for sure if they were guilty or not. Facts in espionage cases are hidden by design. But if two foreigners get arrested for spying in CN can't we agree, at least, that the most likely reason is that they were, in fact, spying?

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David J. Levy (黎帝杰)

@CN_MFG

2 years

@isaacstonefish Is this what you call "pushing back without being... McCarthyist", by folding a false (and inflammatory) premise into the question? Great opportunity to induct youngsters into cold war 2.0

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