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Reporting the Truth. Restoring the Church. Christian investigative journalist, author, & podcaster.

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Julie Roys
1 year
Whenever I’m tempted to think Christianity is a fraud because of fraudulent pastors, I’m reminded it was the religious establishment that had Jesus arrested and crucified. Wherever there is money & power gained through religious position, there will be self-interest & hypocrisy.
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Pastor laments women wearing shorts, then says: "If you dress like that & you get raped & I'm on the jury, he's going to go free...because a man's a man." Yes, a man is a man--not an animal. And HE is responsible for controlling himself. This pastor needs to resign.…
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@sheilagregoire Oh my word. I suppose it's not surprising, though. Actions follow thoughts.
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Once again, @PastorMark Driscoll is rewriting history. Mark, you were not "cancelled," threatened, & "kicked in the teeth." You were confronted by your elders for a pattern of arrogance & bullying. And instead of facing your sin & people you harmed, you fled like a coward. 1/3
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He violates every moral code of ⁦ @LibertyU ⁩ but is still a welcome VIP. I’m so sick of this school calling itself Christian. 1/2
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4 years
Pretty much sums up what I’m seeing in evangelicalism right now: “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves...” Gen 11:4
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In 2001, the wife of a child abuser went to @johnmacarthur 's @GraceComChurch for help. But instead of protecting her family, she says GCC subjected her to spiritually abusive counseling & tried to coerce her to take her husband back into family’s home 1/3
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For decades, @johnmacarthur has taught that pastors & elders with wayward children are disqualified from ministry, even if those children are adults. Now that MacArthur's son has been caught in $$$ scandal, MacArthur isn't applying the same standard 1/5
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Julie Roys
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. @johnmacarthur is a mental health expert! Who knew?!!
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“There’s no such thing as PTSD. There’s no such thing as OCD. There’s no such thing as ADHD.” — John MacArthur
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2 years
Love it when a pastor disgraced by sexual misconduct signals his return w/ prof pics showcasing his wife & kids. Seriously, leave your kids out of your attempt to rebrand. The fact that 46K people liked this is just depressing.
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10 months
I don't know this guy, but his post is 🎯 If only more disgraced pastors would take it to heart.
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It's mindnumbing to me that we can present overwhelming evidence that @johnmacarthur repeatedly shamed & punished abuse victims while protecting their abusers--and the evangelical world continues like nothing happened. Heaven weeps. 1/2
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You were not "under attack." You were under discipline. And you did not take "the anointing" with you. You took your forked tongue and ability to manipulate, bully, and deceive. 2/3
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Julie Roys
2 years
BREAKING: A parole board today denied David Gray parole for 10 yrs, accding to frmr wife Eileen. Board's report will not be avail for several days. But at hearing, the board reportedly called David a sadistic predator who weaponized religion. So relieved he's staying behind bars!
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Oh the irony…
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Witnesses say in 1979, Paul Guay—then a pastor at @GraceComChurch —told @JohnMacArthur that he molested his own daughter. But JMac did nothing, they say, & later denied hearing the confession. Now, Guay's victims are speaking out about JMac's "betrayal" 1/2
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What a shock. 😜🤣🤣🤣 I swear, these megachurch pastors are so fragile. 1/2
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Julie Roys
2 years
Unbelievable clip by @johnmacarthur from 2012, highlighted in recent article by @baptist_news . "It is a little strange that we have such an aversion to slavery because historically there have been abuses..." 1/5 Follow link to read story:
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1 year
I took flak for saying this about ⁦Carl Lentz⁩ 6 months ago. I wish these returns weren’t so dang predictable—but they are.
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Julie Roys
7 months
Platforming pastors with a proven history of abuse and misconduct is even worse.
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Carey Nieuwhof
7 months
Tearing down megachurch pastors you've never met is a terrible church growth strategy.
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Julie Roys
1 year
What backstory are you talking about Jenna? Exposing Ravi Zacharias as a sexual predator? Or James MacDonald as a bully? Or that Mark Driscoll is running an oppressive cult-like org posing as a church? If I have a bias, it’s that I abhor abuse & hypocrisy.
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Jenna Ellis
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@denise_snively @GraceComChurch @johnmacarthur @reachjulieroys I have and you should consider her backstory and bias. She simply wants to see GCC fall. She’s wholly uninterested in truth or fact.
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Julie Roys
1 year
Glad copies of this letter, showing @GraceComChurch & @johnmacarthur knew of David Gray's abuse b4 excomm his wife Eileen is being circulated. Note, GCC specifically told Eileen to remove her "restraining order" against David. One cannot get a restraining order w/out cause. 1/2
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Julie Roys
4 months
Another pic of disgraced former @LibertyU president @JerryFalwellJr with current LU Chancellor and his brother, @jonathanfalwell . I swear, LU is still just an incestuous cesspool. Why people still support this place is beyond me. 2/2
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Julie Roys
9 months
This is what happens when you report unwelcome facts about Christian celebrities. Let's be clear. These people are following a leader, but it isn't Jesus.
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Julie Roys
2 years
. @JohnMacArthur ’s megachurch @GraceComChurch failed to report their Sunday school teacher Albert Alegrete to police after he confessed to molesting children Years after that confession, Alegrete kidnapped his 6th victim; he later served 44 years in prison
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Julie Roys
2 years
Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.”
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Julie Roys
2 years
The U.S. church needs far fewer conferences/books on leadership & more on this… “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.” Phil 2:3-4
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Julie Roys
1 year
BREAKING: Disgraced megachurch pastor @jamesmacdonald has been charged w/ felony assault & battery, after authorities say he attacked a 59-yr-old woman, resulting in “serious injuries.” Incident reportedly happened after MacD struck car while parallel pkg
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Julie Roys
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The worst part about this tearful "confession" is that @JennaEllisEsq , who now twice admitted criminal wrongdoing (in CO & GA), appeals to her Christian faith. I'm so done with people professing to be believers while acting worse than unbelievers. 1/3
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Julie Roys
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Despite requests by @Benny_Hinn , YouTube is refusing to remove a doc exposing Hinn’s alleged deceptive practices. The 4-hr video by  @MikeWingerii  covers Hinn’s alleged false healing, false doctrine, failed prophecies, false repentance & fundraising tactics
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Julie Roys
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FYI... Ravi Zacharias International Ministries refused to disclose its board too, offering similar excuses. But this is nonprofit governance 101. Every org that takes donations owes it to donors to disclose its board. Those who serve must be willing to accept the risks. Period.
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Julie Roys
5 months
So typical. When good ole boy network can’t find factual errors in our reporting, they resort to unfounded personal attacks. And they accuse reporters of slander! For record, I’m conservative & love the Spirit-filled church. And Sean, on what basis do you malign my character?
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Sean Feucht
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There are biblical ways to navigate church controversy and hidden sin discovered in church leadership. Those do not include running to leftist journalists with low integrity, bad character who hate the spirit-filled church. We MUST do better than this. 🙏🏽
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1 year
Since I began reporting on @johnmacarthur & @GraceComChurch , I hv been accused of slander & libel. Yet no one has shown evidence of even 1 falsehood I've published. However, I hv produced receipts of many falsehoods propagated by JMac & GCC. Here's thread with examples... 1/17
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Julie Roys
3 years
I was reading Exodus this morning and this phrase jumped out at me: "I am concerned about their suffering." I am grateful to serve a God who sees.
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I routinely get accused of gossip or airing the church's dirty laundry. The implied message is that believers should be covering up the misdeeds of others (esp leaders), rather than exposing them. Yet I can't find one verse in Scripture that says to do that. Can you? 1/2
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Julie Roys
2 years
A friend once encouraged me to regularly take in beauty as an antidote to all the evil I report on. There’s no doubt, it revives my soul.
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4 years
It seems that many Christians care more about winning the White House than purifying the Church. Is not politics downstream of culture? And is not culture shaped by the health (or sickness) of the Church? I pray for this country. But I most passionately pray for Christ's Bride.
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1 year
Just a word to disqualified pastors... We are watching. We are reporting. And we aren't going anywhere. 1 Tim 5:20
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Here's a clip of our side-by-side comparison of the apologies. To see full comparison, follow this link to our article: 2/2
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Julie Roys
2 years
It appears @johnmacarthur has been removed as a speaker from @Ligonier 2022. Screenshot on left is from Feb 16, 2022. One on right taken today. Accountability likely won't come from w/in @GraceComChurch ; it must come from lgr evang community Latest story:
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Today, Eileen's frmr husband is serving 21 yrs to life in a CA prison for aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. But the story of what Eileen suffered at the hands of @johnmacarthur & @GraceComChurch has never before been told—until now. 3/3
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Julie Roys
10 months
Once a rising star among Southern Baptists, Russell Moore lost his job after criticizing Donald Trump and standing by abuse survivors. Truth-telling requires going beyond "what the expectations of the tribe demand," says  @drmoore in 'Losing Our Religion'
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1 year
This is outrageous. Rob Shiflet, a Texas youth pastor convicted of molesting 14 girls, has been released for "good behavior" after serving only 25 months! This is an affront to justice and a gut punch to the victims.
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Julie Roys
1 year
Struck this a.m. by the simplicity of gospel. “By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Jn 13:35 It’s not by our perfect doctrine, our gifts, or leadership skills. It’s by our love. Lord, help us love like You.
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3 years
On Sunday @JohnMacArthur acknowledged for the first time that COVID-19 swept through Grace Community Church last winter It comes as @GraceComChurch seeks to settle a lawsuit brought by LA County, over the church's failure to report an outbreak of COVID-19
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Julie Roys
2 years
It's unconscionable that @johnmacarthur has not apologized to @BethMooreLPM for his cruel and ungodly "Go home" statement two years ago. Agree 💯 with this thread 👇
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I’m going to tell y’all a story because I think this is important and enough time is gone by that I hope it will be obvious it’s not meant to be self-serving. After a certain public mockery at a pastors conference, I was literally heartsick for the ones who had done it. I thought
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This is horrific—spanking a child for not being excited to see her mom? This is raising robots, not human beings—and grooming them to suppress emotions and unconditionally submit. No wonder abuse is epidemic in the church.
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4 months
Today, I began thinking how great it would be to have a retreat center for survivors of church hurt/abuse. Don’t know if that was from the Lord or just me, but I do know it resonated with something deep in my soul.
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Pastors Al and Vivian Robinson opened up their Buffalo church to provide food, shelter, and other resources during the massive "bomb cyclone" Northeast blizzard They ended up taking in 154 people as the storm devastated the area over Christmas weekend
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Julie Roys
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Kings of Israel: 19 Righteous Kings of Israel: 0 Kings of Judah: 20 Righteous Kings of Judah: 8 U.S. Megachurch Pastors: 1,750* Righteous Megachurch Pastors: ?? (*Lifeway 2020 Megachurch Report) I can't help but think that men weren't meant to be kings. 1/2
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Mike Bickle, founder of Intl. House of Prayer in Kansas City ( @ihopkc ), is facing allegations of clergy sexual abuse "spanning several decades." Frmr IHOPKC leaders say several women who are "credible, trustworthy & courageous" brought allegations. 1/2
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Julie Roys
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Never one to let a crisis go to waste, @PastorMark is now promoting his book revealing how the "evil Jezebel spirit is destroying America." So, basically, all the problems our country is facing are the fault of women. Got it. 1/3
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Julie Roys
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@mastersuniv @johnmacarthur And this is the real problem with @johnmacarthur . It's not that his son is embroiled in a $16 million investment scheme. It's that MacArthur has shown again & again he's a cruel & heartless hypocrite. And on that basis, he should most certainly be disqualified. 5/5
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Julie Roys
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Like Aimee, I got flack for publishing an interview w/ Shannon Harris. So many Christians feel we can't learn from those who have walked away from the faith. But if we don't listen to those the church has wounded, we're likely to repeat the same mistakes. This is a must-read 👇
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To those who are upset about my reflection on Shannon Harris’s book because she no longer identifies as a Christian 🧵: 1. Does her life still matter? 2. Does her life experience in the church still matter? 3. Does the bad theology she was immersed in matter? Was it Christian?
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I can hardly stomach when organizations rocked with scandal go about their business as tho nothing happened. There should be no business as usual until a truly independent investigation is completed.
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IHOPKC continues to operate 24/7, remaining steadfast to our mission of prayer with worship unto the Great Commission. We extend heartfelt gratitude to all who have joined us in the call to unending prayer with worship, both past and present. We are profoundly thankful for the…
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5 years
To those defending @johnmacarthur telling @BethMooreLPM to "Go home" because Moore's theology is wrong: The pharisees had perfect theology too, but they lacked compassion & love. As a result, Jesus called them whitewashed tombs. "Though I speak with the tongues of men & angels...
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Julie Roys
4 years
A source told me that a major Christian organization is cutting 10% of its staff and forcing the fired employees to sign NDAs. Friends, do not ever sign an NDA!! Period. If you have earned a severance, it is yours and should not require you to sign away your 1st Amendment rights.
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Julie Roys
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TX megachurch pastor @howertonjosh may hv plagiarized pastor @jobymartin in Howerton's apology to his congregation last Sunday. Howerton’s apology, which concerned a wedding night “joke,” was almost identical to apology given by Martin 2 yrs ago. 1/2
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Julie Roys
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This is nuts. Now women can't lead parachurch orgs, according to @JohnPiper . Let's be clear. This has nothing to do with doctrine, but everything to do with misogyny.
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Nancy Pearcey
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Piper keeps digging in deeper. I am a professor at a Christian university. Some of my students are men--which means, I teach men. Many men also read my books, which could be construed as a type of teaching.
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Julie Roys
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This is classic sin leveling from the husband of an @ihopkc leader. Yes, God uses flawed leaders. But no, one may not sexually abuse the vulnerable and still qualify for ministry. “For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach…” Titus 1:7
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If Jesus had decided to use only leaders with no issues in their life, the church would not be built. He builds with fragmented leaders, 2 Cor 4:7.
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Julie Roys
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Revival has reportedly broken out at @AsburyUniv , a small evangelical college in KY, attracting hundreds to join in 24/7 prayer and worship. Since Wednesday, students & guests from as far away as Michigan & SC have been meeting in the school's chapel.
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Julie Roys
4 years
My experience: If there's a spiritually abusive pastor or leader, he has already manipulated the board. Board members are being groomed. And they can't possibly help the person who's been abused because they're being abused, and they don't even see it.
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Julie Roys
5 years
I had to incur a lawsuit to finish, but here's the result of my 8-month investigation concerning @HarvestBible1 , and accusations of financial mismanagement & culture of fear and intimidation.
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Julie Roys
1 year
. @JudahSmith & his megachurch @Churchome are facing a class-action lawsuit for requiring staff to tithe 10% of wages—a policy that violates two state laws, the suit claims The suit was filed Tuesday in King County, Washington, by a fmr Churchome producer
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This came up on 2011 memories Back then, I didn’t know @Franklin_Graham was taking salaries from @SamaritansPurse & @BGEA . Nor did I know Graham’s salary from SP alone (now $833K) wld make him top paid CEO of any intl relief agency in U.S. Man, would I love to interview him now
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. @Hillsong ran lucrative “celeb preacher’s scam” netting $$$ for top preachers. Some were included in scam w/out having to join Hillsong. Others paid up to $100K/yr to join Hillsong Family & gain entrance. We compiled Top 10 Hillsong Family Donors 1/4
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@GregoryFraley @LibertyU What I don’t get is how these “heroes” can associate with a school led by such immoral people. “Therefore do not be partners with them.” Eph 5:7
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Julie Roys
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This is convenient argument but misses that @GraceComChurch already broke confidentiality—1st when @johnmacarthur shamed Eileen publicly & 2nd, when Carey Hardy divulged details from the Grays’ counseling in his court declaration. Sad there’s no expression of concern for victims.
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"Most women don’t leave the church because they were rebellious; they leave because they were badly harmed, and no one gave a damn about their suffering" Please sit with that. And grieve. And if need be, repent TY @KaeleyT for this outstanding piece
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Julie Roys
2 years
On a short trip celebrating 36 years with this guy. He’s my rock who’s stuck in with me for better and worse. Love you! ❤️
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Julie Roys
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EXCLUSIVE: @johnmacarthur 's @GraceComChurch supported child abuser & pedophile David Gray for decades after Gray's conviction, accdg to records & testimony. “I was misled" “Until your report, I was still a full-on supporter and that really bothers me"
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Julie Roys
3 years
Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same Bible. "Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation." 1 Peter 2:12
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In statement today, 8 charismatic Christian leaders have declared Intl. House of Prayer Kansas City ( @IHOPKC ) Founder @MikeBickle “unfit” for ministry. “Even with full repentance & personal restoration in the Lord, he is disqualified from public ministry"
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Julie Roys
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When the woman refused to take her abusive husband back, @johnmacarthur publicly shamed & excommunicated her in front of his 8,000-member congregation at @GraceComChurch . Exclusive video of that shaming is the article linked in this thread. 2/3
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Julie Roys
2 years
Calvary Chapel ( @CCSouthBay ) pastor Chet Lowe runs a Christian boot camp in southern California that has included ‘simulated torture’ as part of its discipleship process, according to numerous former students who spoke on the record
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Julie Roys
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BREAKING: Embattled @ihopkc announces it's closing & starting new org to limit liability. But @bozlawpa says IHOPKC is in "fantasyland" if it thinks plan will limit liability. Trying to do so would be "fraudulent," he says. 1/2
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Julie Roys
2 months
I'm glad @CharlieDates spoke out against @johnmacarthur 's statements about MLK & called pastors to stop attending JMac's conf's & reading his commentaries. Once again, I'm dumbfounded by JMac's hubris & complete lack of grace or self-awareness. 1/
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Julie Roys
1 year
The problem with this reasoning is that no one reporting the "attack" (facts) has a desire to do anything of the sort. I'm a conservative evangelical. So is Eileen Gray. So is Hohn Cho. This is a classic example of attacking the accuser to deflect attention from the accused. 1/2
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If you can’t see that the attack on John MacArthur and GCC is part of the bigger agenda of some who want to deconstruct conservative evangelicalism and destroy those who stand against the social Justice movement, you aren’t paying attention!
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BREAKING: For the 1st time, Grammy Award-winning worship leader @matt_redman and his wife, Beth Redman, are telling their stories of years-long abuse by now-disgraced @SoulSurvivorGB co-founder Mike Pilavachi in a documentary released last night. 1/3
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A statement from Eileen Gray: "The supportive responses from so many people who love Jesus have truly been a comfort. Thank you all for demonstrating the love of Jesus." 1/5
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Julie Roys
3 years
I am convinced that the most grievous sin in evangelicalism is not narcissism, or greed, or even pride (though those are rampant)--but a complete lack of the fear God. When we sing our worship songs, do we think God is not listening & weighing our words against our actions? 1/2
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Julie Roys
2 years
This is where I commune with God. So refreshing to the soul.
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Julie Roys
6 months
Darn. Got it one day too late. Next year. 😜
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1 year
BREAKING: Tim Keller, renowned Christian apologetics author & founding pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian in NYC, has died. Since 2020 he rcvd treatment for pancreatic cancer. He was 72. “We know he is rejoicing with his Savior in heaven,” stated his church
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Julie Roys
3 years
. @johnmacarthur has railed on prosperity preachers. But Mac presides over a religious empire generating 70+ million/yr in tax-free revenue. MacArthur, his fam & their co's hv been paid millions & MacArthur's lifestyle rivals some of those he criticizes.
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Julie Roys
1 year
Out climbing sand dunes with my husband over the weekend. It’s a poor substitute for a mountain, but best you can do when you live in Chicago. And it still refreshed my soul. So important to regularly see beauty when you report on such evil.
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That’s strange. The world hasn’t come to an end?!! 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Julie Roys
1 year
Unreal. @seanfeucht is platforming disgraced, abusive @PastorMark . How can Driscoll, who hires security to surveille frmr members 24/7 talk about creating "safe, loving, spirit-filled counterculture"? How can man who berates & curses his own staff & claim he's not angry? 1/2
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1 month
Powerful letter to @mikebickle from Jerrye Woods, mother of Tammy Woods. Publishing here w/ her permission. "You have no idea the depth of the pain you have inflicted, not just on the primary Jane Does..." 1/6
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Julie Roys
1 year
The apostle Paul would not have made it as a megachurch pastor.
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Julie Roys
3 years
This Baptist pastor preached that “weight control” by wives is the solution for marital problems. Now, he's being investigated by his denomination & has resigned as moderator from upcoming denominational meeting.
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Julie Roys
3 months
A woman came forward last week with her story, accusing @IHOPKC Founder @MikeBickle of sexually abusing her, beginning at age 14 Now, that woman, identified by maiden name Tammy Woods, has released an open letter addressed to Mike (and Diane) Bickle. 1/2
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Julie Roys
3 months
Why would anyone care about what the PR guy thinks? In all my reporting, I’ve never seen anything quite like this. Usually PR guys try to remain invisible. After all, they’re just the conduits. But this guy seems to revel in making it about himself. He’s a study in what not to do
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Eric Volz
3 months
My conclusions so far about @ihopkc , Mike Bickle, and the future of prayer movement. #ihopkc
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Julie Roys
3 months
A 3rd woman has come forward, accusing Intl. House of Prayer Kansas City ( @IHOPKC ) Founder @MikeBickle of grooming & sexually abusing her. The woman said Bickle kissed & fondled her, beginning when she was 15 and Bickle was a 20-yr-old church intern. 1/3
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Julie Roys
2 years
Two women involved in a lawsuit accusing @LibertyU of mishandling their sexual assault cases have broken their silence In an interview with @InsideEdition , Chelsea Andrews and Heather Wendel share their college rape stories and how Liberty responded
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Julie Roys
2 years
. @DavidAFrench 's description of the 3-step process that leads Christians to bond with corrupt leaders is so insightful. Step one is to grant a leader from whom you've benefited "excessive loyalty." 1/4
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