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Dan Grover

@DanGrover

2 years

The only reason I find these cringey is that in my 5.5y at Meta as a PM, I took myself deadly seriously and worked crazy hours — about as much as startup I’m at now — when I realistically could have had similar routine to this with little consequence to career.

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2 years

$META bagholders in shambles.

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I didn’t understand why SV tech workers were so loathe to return to the office. The offices are lovely and all day Zoom sucks. Now it sinks in: it’s not the office, it’s the commute.

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Heck of a graph in FT today:

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If I were Apple, I would waive the 30% fee for Hey as long as they agree to never use the term "Imbox" again.

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24 days

One thing about living in Bay Area is you go to any other US city and you’re like “Wow, this place is really charming, vibrant, and well-run!” Really enjoyed Chicago this week.

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Adele, product manager

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3 years

Spotify stops shuffling albums by default because Adele said so

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3 years

A thing that took me forever to learn as a PM is that the traits/kinds of activities that make you credible to your team are completely different from traits/activities that make you credible to management.

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2 years

These comparisons always make me think of “Linux on the desktop!” hype in 00’s. You can use AbiWord instead of Word! Play lots of great games like TuxRacer! Swap Quicken for GnuCash! See, it has everything!

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2 years

Web3 mass adoption is done one DApp at a time.

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7 months

Biggest realization since moving from FANG to startup is a lot of my "product" skills were actually narrow set of shibboleths to make product thinking legible across wide group, deal w/ reviews, mitigate risks. Some of the best product thinking is illegible, difficult to defend.

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4 years

The news of the WeChat ban gives me a strange, surreal, sense of grief. The few years I spent working on it at Tencent changed the way I thought of product design and introduced me to some of the most talented, passionate folks I've met.

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2 years

My employer sent a swag package that included a metal straw, but I had never seen one before and assumed it was a little flute and tried to play it.

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2 years

I had multiple bosses give me some advice to effect of “Relax, this is all just a big game” and this only really sunk in during last year, which is probably testament to how well FB can still simulate startupy culture and give autonomy and ownership to teams, despite being huge.

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2 months

Office has very limited tables, just like in the app.

Ben Lang

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2 months

Notion's office circa 2018. This was the first time I had ever stepped into an office that felt like an extension of the software itself. It was like being in Notion’s app, but in real life. I later learned that Ivan, founder/ceo of Notion, had designed the office himself,

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2 years

Man, I can't get enough of this ChatGPT thing. Even with its foibles and limitations, it is mind shattering. It feels like the first iPhone. The moon landing. Staring into the abyss. I am not ready for this.

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4 months

Longer I've been a PM, the less tolerance I have for performative "blue sky"/"north star" brainstorming w/ zero legwork, research, or constraints. Difference between success and failure on everything I've worked on has always been in persisting and getting unsexy details right.

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2 years

First day at small co after 8 years of big cos. Sense of future shock from catching up on all the nice tools that have been invented in that time but which had been forbidden: Linear, Slack, Notion, etc. Feel like Rip van Winkle.

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8 years

Wrote a response to the recent "conversational UI" and bot hype. Warning: it's a long one!

Bots won't replace apps. Better apps will replace apps.

Why conversational UI fails in practice and what the West can really learn from Asian messaging apps.

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3 years

There’s an anecdote where Steve Jobs convinced an engineer to shave a few seconds off Mac 128K startup time, arguing based on the collective lifespans saved when you multiply it out by # of units. I think about this during 30-45s I spend every day screwing w/ Bluetooth settings.

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2 years

Put in my 2 weeks at Facebook. It’s been such a rewarding 5.5 years and I’ve learned so much from all the talented folks there. Excited and kind of scared for next chapter!

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4 years

One thing that's funny about working remotely in an org that's split between Bay Area and Seattle is all the Seattle people have an extra, sunny room they can make their office, and everyone in the Bay Area is calling from their bedroom, kitchen, or car.

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2 months

What they don't tell you about joining startups as PM is that founders usually don't want/need "strategy", but someone w/ product sense to write reqs, design features, push on execution. But the specific types of eng who join startups *really* don't think they need help on that.

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3 years

I'm always finding out about interesting Netflix content from places that aren't Netflix, while Netflix's own recommendations are locked in a feedback loop, like that relative who always gets you gifts based on a minor interest of yours they learned about several years ago.

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2 years

Amazon is not buying OneMedical or iRobot “for its data.” Why is this the generic motive ascribed to all tech companies by journalists?

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3 years

With AirTags, the experience of having something stolen and watching its GPS dot go to 7th and Market, then disappear won't be limited to just your phone.

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5 years

I was in a PM interview with the other big tech co a few weeks ago, and the question was "How would you solve the Bay Area's commute problems?". I argued zoning + tax reform, but I think the right answer was self driving cars or some shit.

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@jahorne

5 years

Technology won't save us from a policy problem.

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6 years

In 2005, RSS readers felt like a bad habit. Now, I take pleasure in what feels, for some reason, like a tiny act of subversion/rebellion, where I read content from precisely who I've chosen to follow, in precisely the order it was published.

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2 years

(This is not criticism of person in Tiktok, or of Meta broadly, only to say that Meta-like environments really take advantage of folks with certain mentality. Other folks, like the subject of the video, come in with healthy attitude and resist it).

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2 years

I forgot how physically ill I always got trying to do focused work in the 2-3h/day of lurching forward on the 101 or 580. Just a bad association.

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3 years

Team values: attention to details, tech background, dealing with administrivia for them, smoothing over gaps between functions on individual projects, "scrappiness" Management values: solid communication/framing, relating back to business impact, solving x-team/x-org issues

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2 years

There is a type of interview that every company does for prospective PMs where they begin with a prompt like “How would you improve Twitter Blue?” The way to fail it is to just start listing random stuff as Musk did.

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3 years

Love this. The greatest trick Bay Area landlords ever pulled was convincing the public that it's the tech companies/workers doing the extraction.

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@DanGrover

3 years

My condolences to the teams at Twitter who will have to spend the next year debating whether webviews or replicating parts of the purchasing funnel natively is better and why.

Support

@Support

3 years

Come to Twitter to Tweet, follow along with live events, and now...to shop. We’re testing Shop Module on iOS. Get the products you want from the places you love –– right from a brand’s profile.

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3 years

I finally got the promo I’ve been working towards for the past 4y, my second as a PM. Somehow I’m less joyous about it than I expected to be.

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@DanGrover

3 years

Over past few years, I've felt some inescapable sense of intellectual claustrophobia -- that the walls of my own mind are closing in -- that I keep reading about the same topics by the same people, thinking the same thoughts, having the same kind of interactions.

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11 months

Being a PM is sort of like being a mexican food truck: you are dispensing same info to people in different formats. Occasionally someone says "I don't understand this taco slide — what would that mean in burrito terms?" and you go "fuck, I didn't know this was a burrito meeting."

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3 years

Didn't realize till 1y WFH how therapeutic parts of office life were: walking through hallways between meetings, lunch w/ colleagues, time to transition+think during commute. Default experience of continuous VC calls is like rolling outta bed + sticking head in a furnace for 8h.

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3 years

The way childhood experiences shape one’s psychology is often discussed, but the way one’s first few jobs change attitude towards their career is pretty interesting, too.

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3 years

They were way too early for NFTs.

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4 years

I have a PM joke, but I'd rather wait till all stakeholders are fully aligned before telling it.

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4 years

My new favorite meeting trick is saying I have a "hard stop" when I'm just bored and want to take a nap.

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6 years

“Paris scale density” is perfect talking point to counter hysteria over Manhattanization. Good job, whoever coined this.

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6 years

#SB827 would permit beautiful Paris-scale density near transit stations. A more vibrant and inclusive California is possible.

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3 years

The nostalgia for skeuomorphism isn't so much for gradients, shadows, textures, page curls, and this shredder effect — but for an era where teams at tech cos shipped crazy ideas and whimsical flourishes that'd never make a stack-ranked list of metrics-driving priorities today.

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3 years

this is the best thing apple has ever made

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1 year

@blader This is like a Yakov Smirnov joke.

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5 years

Netflix is better than cable, but when I skim their new releases, I have to check Rotten Tomatoes to filter out their bad B movies (e.g. Io). Amazon is better than Walmart, but I have to check fakespot and Wirecutter, and fiddle with their useless search/ranking controls.

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3 years

As a smug FANG person, once looked down on trad. cos competing with real sw cos. Once talked to PM working for Home Depot on ecom, rolled eyes a bit. But I'll be damned: selling something like paint online is a genuinely *hard* product challenge, + something Amazon'll never do.

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2 years

Another adjustment I am sorting through in big tech > startup PM transition is allocation between what I’ve started to think of as “small P” product and “big P product”

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4 years

Wrote a post on the Chinese tech industry's response to Covid-19: telemedicine, health QR codes, and more. What should we be doing in Silicon Valley?

How Chinese Apps Handled Covid-19

Chinese apps launched myriad features in response to Covid 19, directly supporting the most effective tactics the health system employed. What can we do in Silicon Valley?

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7 months

@maiab You can even ask it “give me a recipe for pumpkin muffins, but preface it with a long, meandering, irrelevant story.”

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5 years

Decided to start wearing collared shirts/slacks to work because the typical SV hoodies/jean thing makes me feel like I'm 15. But now I feel like I'm 40. What should 30 year olds wear?

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4 years

If you're a technologist and you still cling to the quixotic belief that we have a power to change the world with what we do, you have no excuse to let petty politics and nationalism stop you from learning from the best on every side of every divide.

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5 months

Until I actually worked at one, I had no sense of how dramatically everything is stacked against even competently-run startups with good ideas. You are perpetually making stone soup to get to next milestone.

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every startup is by definition a scam

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4 months

The "internet of things" was such a prominent hype buzzword in the early 2010s; it is funny how these things can be both prescient and overblown. It has arrived; you can get $5 Zigbee sensors for everything and a microwave that has Alexa. Does it matter? Not really.

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8 months

When none of your product teams talk to each other.

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3 years

All these people hyping up Miami and Texas as tech centers are gonna have their minds blown when they find out there are other countries.

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2 months

Original article:

Chinese robot maker says protectionism will not stop its march

Shenzhen Inovance founder says automation tech is indispensable to global supply chains

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4 years

That Cardi B song about the Wireless Application Protocol is pretty good.

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4 years

The public freakout is pretty remarkable. Never seen my WeChat feed so....unharmonious. It's entirely memes/references: - Lu Xun quote: "学医救不了中国人" - Les Mis - Chernobyl - 能 / 明白 (I guess what he had to write on the police paperwork) - 2+2=5

胡子哥 @[email protected]/bsky, sannuvola.threads.net

@SanNuvola

4 years

a bunch of my WeChat peeps have changed their profile pic to the standard "picture not approved" sign

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4 years

Been thinking about this + outlining new essay on thesis that sw has moved from intentional whole-product design to postmodern jumble of feature owners going for local maxima. What are your best examples of A/B test ship-the-org-chart-hell UIs from products you use?

Ev | Lisbon May 28-June 4 🇵🇹

@tchebotarev

4 years

When 10 product managers compete for one screen 🤨

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2 years

Another psychological impact I'm noticing a couple months in going from aloof FANG PM to hands-on startup PM is I have no desire to play video games. Fiddly, byzantine sim games were a nice break from days of meetings and doc writing. But now my whole day is basically Factorio.

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More I think about it, what I find worst w/ remote work isn't zoom, but difficulty in convos of variety "Before I spend 3 days on this, here is rough approach, does this sound right?". Just a lot of people tossing polished (and potentially wrong) things over fence at each other.

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The most harmful conditioning that FANG imparted on tech workers during ZIRP isn't lavish perks or wokeness, but inevitable sneaking suspicion that if you're experienced and find yourself doing real, detailed, schleppy IC work for too long that you might be a sucker.

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8 years

Finally wrote a follow-up on my Chinese Mobile UI post. This time, bots, wifi, icons, and more!

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4 years

Watching MS/Tiktok thing, I'm hit by creeping sense that by working in another US Big Tech co, I'm the beneficiary of a sleazy govt-linked oligopoly (not dissimilar from when I worked in Chinese big tech). Whether it makes sense tactically or not, US has lost moral authority.

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6 years

First time trying Lime scooters as part of commute! Took a spill as they don’t handle uneven pavement well, ended up with elbow and wrist fractures. Aside from broken bones, UX was good.

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4 years

As a PM, I used to be pretty proud about my ability to seamlessly translate between engineer, designer, marketer and help the team work together. Then I started talking to legal and I don't know what words are anymore.

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6 years

Any time I use a Google app with Material design on iOS, it makes me think of those versions of Office for Mac where they decided to make it look like Windows.

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7 months

For instance, watching that Humane video, first reaction was "why are you dweebs talking about color choices and battery before telling me what problem it's solving", but that is what typical bigco product person says because we've been chided on that a zillion times in reviews.

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3 years

It's quaint how journalists still refer to tech cos in singular, as if their actions were consequence of top-down grand strategy, not chaotic undulations of a barely-governable web of fiefdoms jockeying in response to internal forces, with the institutional memory of a gnat.

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3 years

Google is gradually moving from introducing new communication apps every four months to simply renaming existing ones twice a year. But the overall goal remains: to ensure that under no circumstances do you ever know which Google product you are using

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Big orgs have this paradox where, if you look at the whole, you think "I can't believe there are 200 engineers on this", but then when you look at any one part, you think "I can't believe there's only 0.5-1 engineer on this!"

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1 year

Twitter offering beds for employees is a troubling development. Next thing you know, they'll be offering cafeterias with free meals, laundry, masseuse, etc.

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3 years

I don't want the metaverse, I want the skies to not be orange. I don't want the blockchain, I want the subways not to flood.

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4 years

What some Twitter discourse on how people could possibly work for certain tech companies fails to appreciate is that FANG doesn't just pay well, at mid-levels, it actually pays 2-3X what you'd make doing the same work elsewhere. Leaving means a different future for your family.

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2 years

@materkel This is good point. There's no reason you can't have healthy habits and also work hard. I couldn't, though -- maybe just wired differently. Work takes over your brain sometimes.

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4 years

Struggled with weight since joining Bigtechco (high stress + top-notch free food everywhere). Somehow making a manual spreadsheet to track diet/exercise has been way more effective than all the fancy quantified self apps. Down 8 lbs this month for first time in 3 years.

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3 years

As a PM, one of my blind spots is I have no rigorous, informed way of thinking above the product level: companies, markets, ecosystems, etc. What is the best way to gain this?

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I kinda wish there was a Matt Levine but for AI papers.

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3 years

Things Google Docs launched: – "Smart canvas" – "Connected checklists" – Emoji reactions Things I actually need from Google Docs: – Ability to un-indent a bulleted list

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8 months

@WillManidis It should be in Civ as one of the wonders you can build.

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5 years

Remember my tweet a month ago about how I finally agreed to talk to a recruiter, then they shamed me for first not listening to a long podcast with their CEO and hung up? That was Superhuman.

Jeff Morris Jr.

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Superhuman is hiring their 1st PM. I rarely share job opportunities but this is special. One of the most loved products in our industry right now. PM's rarely have the chance to join as " #1 " at a startup with product market fit. This is that chance.

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2 years

DALL-E is one of those rare pieces of tech for me where trying for first time is a "holy shit" moment -- would also count Napster, multi-touch UI, and bitcoin. This sort of output is going to be in everything in 10y.

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In bigco environment, I was rare PM who did a ton of querying, built pipelines, etc. Problem was very often not "i don't know how to write a SELECT" but knowing where bodies are buried/nuances on dataset and columns, etc. DS+DE keep a lot of this institutional knowledge.

Tom Blomfield

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I’ve noticed a pattern with some AI startups that are producing flashy demos with very low customer engagement. They are usually solving occasional problems. An example is “use natural language to query a database”. Most employees at a tech company don’t actually write SQL

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In some alternate reality, there is an app that is the opposite of Citizen that buzzes my phone with notifications like: - Rainbow reported - Golden retriever detected 92 feet away - Impromptu banjo pickin' competition detected by ShotSpotter etc

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Black mirror moment

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3 years

Put another way, it is possible to be extremely valuable but have your team walk away with a "but what have you done for me lately?" feeling.

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4 years

My favorite part of holiday Twitter is SF/NYC transplants commenting on their hometowns like they're in a foreign country.

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2 years

@yuarecold I used to do that all the time. I was working on some dev platform thing whose parent had 4 re orgs. Nobody who is around in 6m remembers your milestones and north star shit.

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An uncanny thing I keep bumping into in my position is that I talk to both silicon valley robotics/CV folks a lot and in-the-field controls engineers/industrial automation practitioners and there is, like, absolutely zero intersection or cross-pollination between the two groups.

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6 years

Flipping back and forth between Calendar and the Phone app to dial a meeting ID/PIN for a conference seems nuts in the same way that voicemail did before Visual Voicemail on iOS.

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Chicago has problems but as a visitor it is reasonably good experience: direct trains from airport, nice parks that are usable as parks/not obstructed with tents, have not witnessed any poop or anyone having breakdown, lots of security on public transit, etc.

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4 years

Will be interesting to see how this pans out for Snap. When I was at WeChat, I saw this idea wisely rejected. When I was at Messenger, I launched+failed to grow a similar feature (Chat Extensions). Launch partners look great!

Snapchat debuts Minis, bite-sized third-party apps that live inside chat | TechCrunch

At Snap's Partner Summit, the company shared its newest effort to entice third-party devs to Snapchat. It's called Minis. Snap Minis are lightweight

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3 months

There's a standard test in PM interviews where you pose problem and if candidate just starts riffing on solutions, they fail -- they should show structured thinking, refine 'why' first, pain points, etc. That's all fine, but often best thinking doesn't start that way.

Hà Phan

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There’s a myth that you define the Why up front and then you are on to the What and How. Often refining your why is continual. You keep refining the differentiator to arrive at a narrow PMF and to deliver a highly nuanced experience. You have to synchronize the service blueprint.

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6 years

Wonder if there's a name for phenomenon when a tech accumulates too many little sub-brands+trademarks. Result is user sees lots of opaque marketing names/logos rather than clear but humble ways of indicating same features. Settings pages are best place to look for this.

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3 years

There's implicit statement in Spotify's home tab that music, foremost, is about what functional purpose it serves: to help you focus on work, study, relax, or read. The artist, the album, anything that would make it art, is irrelevant.

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4 years

There are two types of PMs: - those that can dig into and frame complex multi-disciplinary decisions - those that list "Jira" as a skill on their resume.

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3 years

@gem_ray Is it PMs overrulling designers or just having a ton of designers on different teams with very narrow mandates for their feature? Or general org dysfunction where there's no holistic ownership/editing going on?

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3 years

Best feeling as a PM is when you've made your team a well-oiled machine: strategy's landed, things are getting shipped/decisions made automatically. You can take a breather, figure out things that'll be problems in 3m, keep tabs on other teams, find clever ways to frame stuff.

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Me, 2016: This is nuts, the only way crypto/dapps have any value prop or competitive advantage is in some kind of dystopian world where there's no trust, no credible institutions, and no social cohesion. Me, 2020: Ohhhhhhhhhh

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Dan Grover

@DanGrover

10 years

Finally wrote a post about how mobile app UI is different in China: http://t.co/abqOWLv7Sd

Chinese Mobile App UI Trends

A summary of common idioms and visual language found in Chinese smartphone apps.

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Dan Grover

@DanGrover

2 years

@tszzl Sing to me, o muse, of the man of twists and turns, who wrote the arbitration clause in the 2023 contract.

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Dan Grover

@DanGrover

4 years

BigTechCo opened a new SF office and my team got transferred to it. Life suddenly 10x better. Weird they only thought of this after dumping money into every other possible perk + running entire transit system. Wonder what changed to make it economical.

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Dan Grover

@DanGrover

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@JSchwarz9 An important realization that I had going from years in FANG to a startup recently is that a lot of the supposed data-driven rigor I brought to my planning was really just "cover your ass." Very few good decisions come from anticipating every internal criticism of the idea.

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