I feel like some ppl have gotten so unhealthily attached to fictional characters that they forget or flat out want to deny that fictional characters should be seen as paper/barbie dolls. they are objects. they can make us feel human emotions, but they are not human themselves. 1/
What I'm learning from reactions to my fandom purity culture article is that apparently people think "shipping" is a lot more complicated than the natural impulse to cheer on two people getting together romantically, and I genuinely do not think it is!
ppl with proship dni in their bio should only follow other ppl who have proship dni in their bio, like if you're okay with harassing ppl over fiction you have no business enjoying the fruits of artists labor except for those with the same awful mindset as yours 🤷
really cool how y'all will lie about an anime and compare it to something that actually hurts kids and then y'all will call real female pedos 'glamorous' bffr
as someone who worked in a library for 4 yrs, I genuinely do not understand why ppl get their panties in a bunch over fanfic. 'normal' adults are constantly checking out books with dark as if not darker subject matter than what you can find on ao3.
Like. Do anyone but the antis really think we're pro abuse, sexual assault, child molestation, incest, grooming, etc IRL? It's fanfic. We're talking about fanfic. That's it.
the nuance of course, lies in the fact that these objects are made by human beings for the purpose of making other human beings feel something. the human element attached to these objects cannot be separated, and that's all fine and good.
however, that does not change the other fact that what we do as ppl lies in the choices we act on, not the objects some ppl wanna lay blame on. ppl who do horrible things will use anything as a scapegoat for their behavior, and we shouldn't so freely give it to them.
also I don't get how ppl don't understand that when they're pushing for fiction to be seen as something that strongly influences others it's the same talking point as RW-ers balking about how gay characters in cartoons will make more kids gay, as if fiction is that powerful lol
at most, the fictional gay character can help a gay kid understand their feelings better and feel more confident in being gay cos they feel seen, but that's very different from what republican lawmakers are trying to make ppl believe
and it's working cos emotions appeals more than facts, so seeing that ppl are pushing the same mentality in fandom is truly disturbing to me and I feel so sorry for the teens in fandom who have to participate like they're walking in a minefield
I wonder if ppl have made the connection yet that tech companies are colluding to erase as much of the internet as possible cos they already scraped all the data they want, now it's time to erase as much as they scraped to feed into their AI tech, it's so insidiously machevillian
oh yeah I finished Kid Cosmic yesterday and I can't praise Craig enough, he never misses. What an adorable and heart-filled show. Super charming and the plot development towards the end is stellar. Of course, my favorite character is Tuna Sandwich. Highly recommend giving a try.
I used to read summaries/skim the books ppl returned, trust me, there's a LOT of "freak shit" available to just borrow from your local library. fictional depictions of taboo aren't illegal, otherwise libraries would like, you know, cease to exist for hosting illicit content? lmao
we're in the midst of a moral panic where repubs want to slander every trans person as a pedo and then we have the puriteen squad come along and try to reinforce that view when they come across a trans person enjoying media that likely helped them accept their own identity
lol no wonder fancops are seething. sorry not sorry, you shouldn't be welcome in any fandom space if you think ppl should be arrested for drawing weird stuff that isn't of any actual living people. fictional depictions are harmless and therapists agree, die mad about it.
>heard japan made their own twitter
>check it
>this is the first thing on the "Welcome to Misskey Tips" post
based as hell
i think im gonna make one bois
what makes it worse is the way ppl wanna downplay the situation as "lol anti/proship discourse is just being Too Online" even though that Too Online discourse has now led to a disabled person losing their livelihood, insurance, & is now going to die. over fictional cartoon porn!
I hate what abusive people have done to fandom. The drama, the genuine abuse, all over fiction. Someone is literally dying because this kind of bullshit ruined their life. I wish these changes never happened. It's so ridiculous but it's real, and It feels like I'm going insane.
@Necksplitter
it's also pretty privileged to suggest martial arts as self-defense when some of us out here are disabled. or in my case, small and disabled. a gun is an equalizer for petite women like me.
they don't take it seriously cos they're very misinformed on why csem is bad. they think it's cos it's gross/uncomfy to look at, but it's actually cos children can't consent and involves a REAL victim. they seem to believe drawings can somehow consent (or not) so they equate them
@SirBadOpinions
@Ant1sTM
that's what's really frustrating. there are times when drawings do depict a real minor and absolutely should be reported because there's an actual victim. but these ppl have their priorities shoved up their ass over anime character depictions :|
every tweet going on about how op isn't proship/anti but a secret third thing called "adult w/a job" really need to be exposed to more of these sadly COMMON incidents to see just how bad it has gotten in fandom & how REAL ppl are being affected by harassment/threats over fiction!
Well now that she’s released a whole document detailing her extensive trauma, including child sexual assault and parental abuse, suddenly antis are like “are we the baddies?” How did they not see how stupid and harmful they are?? Why do they push it this far?? Ffs
its modern "ship and let ship" mentality except mostly adopted by queer folks to safely signal to one another they're not gonna harass over transgressive fiction. i think its pure evil that some ppl are trying to turn it into a dogwhistle for "supports pedophilia/incest/etc irl"
it is absolutely not a coincidence they're deleting as many archives at once as possible, they want to destroy the soul of humanity and replace it with AI, evil evil people ruling over us
what makes it even more reprehensible is that their rapist/abuser was in on it too, and clearly there was some other abuse of power cos those kinds of drawings are common in the industry. there was no proper investigation and was made out to be a john k situation (it isn't).
Learning that a disabled queer artist lost her health insurance, her home, and finally her life to suicide after colleagues got her fired for the high crime of... drawing INVADER ZIM porn. I'm speechless.
@Kendorable__
@GameGrumps
predators also use wholesome art to lure in children, that means we gotta stop artists from making wholesome art too right? your logic is extremely stupid and you're worried about sexualization of characters who are adults that murder each other in brutal ways. 🙄
I wonder when folks are going to get the connection that ppl treating fictional characters like real ppl was always going to lead to more ppl treating real ppl like fictional characters. it's almost like the ones telling us that fiction affects reality can't distinguish the two!
Queerbaiting is a media analysis term where writers of fictional characters use romantic tropes either in the text or marketing to draw in queer audiences with zero to little payoff so as to not alienate the heterosexual market real people cannot queerbait
unfortunately they'll cheer all the way until the ppl doing the censoring start censoring what they care for. 'authoritarianism is cool until it affects me', basically. the ppl doing any censorship are never your allies, but they'll gladly take your support until it fucks u over
it occurs to me they have to call it "child porn" cos if they were to write what it actually is, which is cartoon porn or (name of character) from (series) porn, then it wouldn't be taken as seriously. and they are obsessed with making ppl stir up a moral panic over drawings.
also just hate how these kids have been groomed to go into adult/nsfw spaces and announce their presence to whine about "being sexualized" despite no one giving a shit about them specifically and all it does is put a target on their backs for the predators that ARE lurking smfh
The way antis have essentially normalised victim blaming and telling survivors they're going to repeat the cycle of abuse is so fucking disgusting, and they've recruited clueless kids into repeating these talking points. It's fucking horrifying.
@Powflip
nope, it's not just you, I talked about it here I'm still uncertain of what the future holds and how we can combat it, but I do know this is evil that must be destroyed.
I wonder if ppl have made the connection yet that tech companies are colluding to erase as much of the internet as possible cos they already scraped all the data they want, now it's time to erase as much as they scraped to feed into their AI tech, it's so insidiously machevillian
for as doomer as it may sound, I still want to have hope there's a chance to fight back against conglomerate commercialization of stolen work. actually insanely disrespectful the way they're taking dead ppl's or otherwise inactive accounts work for their endless greed tho.
nothing is going to convince me AI isn't anything less than just pure evil, the few funny shitposts to come out of it do not outweigh the extreme net negative it's going to produce in the upcoming years, and already starting to do.
I had a feeling that it wasn't made for that purpose, thank you for bothering to research to correct the misinfo in your thread. unfortunately the damage is done, and the misinfo post will always have way more views. at least this can be referenced for the future.
I wanna address a little side note about this comic that went unnoticed.
A popular tweet recently claimed that this comic was made for the Sofia The First fandom.
It was not. And I can prove that the screenshot was cropped to make it seem that way.
@AZH3RO
fun fact: your moralizing over harmless cartoon porn contributes to normalizing ppl reporting said cartoon porn to agencies that deal with helping CSEM survivors which clogs up the report lines and stresses out the workers and ends up hurting victims by taking time/resources!
it is actually an extremely recurring and worrying pattern that lots of ppl who are annoyingly whiny about fanservice are sex pests or wannabe sex pests. many times into minors, too. it's not all of the whiners of course that's silly but it's a hefty chunk of them lmao. 1/
Can't get over that someone's first thought to someone being annoying about the fanservice in Xenoblade was to check the sex offender registry and finding the person on there
@KennyLauderdal3
I talk a bit about it here, I rly find this whole thing sinister & downright vicious, big corpos are mad that we're not consooming enough so theyre going to ruin the internet, be on the lookout for more ops that are for pushing more restrictive legislation
I wonder if ppl have made the connection yet that tech companies are colluding to erase as much of the internet as possible cos they already scraped all the data they want, now it's time to erase as much as they scraped to feed into their AI tech, it's so insidiously machevillian
AI was made for corporations, not for our benefit, but to do what evil has always done: exploit us. I'm not sure how we'll be able to fight back against a beast this colossal but I still maintain that if enough ppl organize, we can weather this storm somehow.
they will never abide by their own principles and DNIs. they whine on and on about problematic elements in whatever they're into and then want to keep interacting with the fan content mostly built by ppl who know how to separate fiction and reality in a healthy way.
The fact that so many antis use AO3 and don't even realise its founder is a hardcore and beautifully dedicated, talented incest shipper will never cease to amaze me.
@Ant1sTM
I made this meme as a joke awhile but it's honestly the logical conclusion to their madness. like at some point you may as well start saying that these dolls are being manipulated at all and that's wrong. fiction affects reality after all.
peasants will not be allowed leisurely hobbies, you must be nothing more than a cog, and the humans that are allowed to make things only do so as a means to correct what AI hasn't perfected for corpos. it's fucking scary and I hope to be wrong but I have a horrible feeling.
The first chapter being kind of weak makes it understandable as to why some people might just pass it up entirely. The mystery of the Kamado family massacre is not set up well enough to stand on its own and demons being unknown to the majority of humans is questionable.
I hope kyle is prepared to answer some really hard questions in person then, cos I know there'll be some who attend just to do that lol so that's the only reason to be okay with this decision. also fuck you for defending an abuser 🖕
If you’ve been on our social media this past week, you probably have heard a bit about this. We would like to discuss claims targeted at a new guest to our lineup, Kyle Carrozza.
Now due to ongoing hostility in the comments section, we have deemed it necessary to lock the
it has to be destroyed because I think my sister's chilling prediction might be right: they want to make it illegal for human beings to create. I'm not exaggerating when I believe this is an unholy civil war being unleashed on us in an attempt to crush our spirits
thinking that sexual stuff is uniquely corrupting while still being okay with gore/violence is a quintessential puritan viewpoint and these ppl are in complete denial about being exactly like conservatives. if they can't self-reflect on that, they certainly won't on this lol.
proship wouldnt even be a thing if fancops hadnt accelerated fandom shittiness by spreading lies, death threats, doxs, etc. it would just be called being normal. but they wanna insist theyre the normal ones when theyre terminally online brats trying to bully others over fiction
“Why are so many proshippers 30+?”
Because we know that gross fictional stories alone won’t turn people into creepy sex pests, and harassing people who make or look those gross stories hasn’t saved any kids from predators.
crazy how pointing out that there's already been lots of research as to whether or not lolicon is pedophilia (science says it's not) & they'll just call you a pedo anyway. they sure do love watering down that word in the name of "protecting minors" (protecting drawings actually)
this guy was "traumatized" by invader zim porn, he'd explode at seeing anime titties, surely. why tf is he a guest at an anime convention anyway? he helped in a smear campaign against a disabled artist that is going to die cos he helped them lose their healthcare.
Welcome Kyle Carrozza to Youmacon! The creator of the Cartoon Network show/multimedia thingee "Mighty Magiswords". Which ran for 50 digital shorts, 92 TV episodes, two apps, and an absurd number of micro shorts, vlogs, and other odds and ends.
at least proshippers will hold that person accountable & are diligent about ousting predators in their own community, fancops wanna bury/ignore their dirty laundry cos they KNOW its FAR more of them being caught while preaching morals over fiction, theyre almost always hypocrites
people when a proshipper gets outed as a predator: "see! proshitters are actual pedophiles! this is why we say proshipping is a crime!"
people when an anti gets outed as a predator: "well you see it doesn't matter if they're pro or anti. stop making this about discourse"
strengthening IP laws, restricting or outright preventing artists from monetizing their work, and potentially even preventing ppl from sharing their work especially if it's fanart/fanfic. part of the joy other than making art for yourself is sharing it with others, yes?
really wild to me how a portion of the generation who grew up on CLAMP series turned out to be some of the biggest puritans around, meanwhile CLAMP had nearly every taboo blatantly in all their works & had a blast drawing it because they're based af women who know what they like
Op didn't even go on some sub elitism rant, yall just wanted to jump on being xenophobic for any reason lol. God forbid someone might prefer professional seiyuus over Hollywood actors who aren't VAs. Anime should be taken away from you wannabe Mean Girls I'm being so fucking srs
it makes no sense. joey was defending loli last year, in fact I remember him being pretty openly pro-loli for a good while. I wonder what changed. who is pressuring these bigger content creators to shift their principles seemingly overnight? anime is by weirdos FOR weirdos.
I read the entire document and it's another grim reminder of how miserable fandom has become in the last decade. ppl driving others to self-harm and worse over cartoons kissing. unfortunately this will happen again as long as ppl aren't taking this hostility seriously.
leave felix and marzia out of your shitty culture war nonsense, they are just trying to peacefully live their best lives in japan with their doggos and a baby on the way. if felix can grow up and move on from an edgelord past, none of y'all have excuses.
boofuckinghoo, imagine not just being able to enjoy what you like unapologetically without caring about being judged for it. having to self-flagellate to conform is utterly pathetic. may everything you love be tainted with fanservice and oversexualization forever ✨
the obsession with representation has led ppl who are terrible at individuation to feel entitled to tear down stories that don't reflect their experiences perfectly and killing stalking is an extreme example that gets attacked cos of how dark it is
why do people get mad when killing stalking is categorized as a queer story like....... just because it's an abusive relationship doesn't mean it's automatically not queer
this sounds hella bleak, but I just want to reiterate one last time to not give up hope. there's already ppl out there fighting the good fight. those of us with the means to do so can/should support them, and if nothing else, we support our fellow artists to the bitter end. ✌️
"but it's fiction's responsibility to tell ppl that misery isn't essential to being human" every part of that sentence is just hysterical. 1) fiction doesn't have a responsibility to take care of your feelings 2) everyone experiences misery at some point or another wtf r u saying
for as much as i agree with these dudes that a lot of localization is vandalism, this is where i can't take them seriously, straight up just would be more honest to say "i hate black ppl and seeing them scares me"
do they not realize it would be more or less exactly the same except maybe gender swapped lol this is more gender essentialism with the whole women are pure and NEVER write such nasty things! in reality some of the most depraved doujin out there is written by japanese women lmfao
I'm glad we're reaching the point where this silly walltext meme I made that is the logical conclusion of caring about what ppl do with fictional characters is finally here, truly exquisite chaos, perfection 🤌
eugenia cooney finally getting age-restricted on tiktok is a rare W for the platform, I really hope they won't rescind on it. also very telling that she's not livestreamed in over a week, pretty clear she's mad she can't show little kids how fun and carefree it is to be anorexic
all the fancops crying cos she doesnt have an age lmfao. btw the creator of avas demon drew smut of her underage characters so i hope that ruins it for u.
anyways... DRAWING HAVE NO AGE, DRAWINGS CANT CONSENT TO ANYTHING COS THE'RE NOT REAL, CRY HARDER, UNDERTALE IS FOR US FREAKS
I think ppl were probably more annoyed that you're lying about rumiko having said this when this is an anime character sheet whose notes are by the character designer and rumiko sexualizes kagome plenty herself in the manga and it's delusional to say otherwise lol
someone made a snarky comment, likely thinking I'm being hyberbolic. fine, fair enough. now let me elaborate on a potential reality we're facing here: they may not be able to control everything we do from the comfort of our homes (yet) but here's what they may very well do -
even worse is the trans folks who are csa victims getting told they're ackshually going to rape kids like what happened to them just because they like some lolis or shotas, which is abhorrent as it is absurd. & let's not forget the assholes who also tell them they deserved it :|
I can't say for sure what the intent of these drawings were but on the surface they look innocent, so all this person did was make the father look unhappy in all his interactions with his daughter. Really strange behavior. I'm also sick of ppl editing other's art w/o permission😑
More than half of the art here doesn’t even look like some taboo shipping some of it just looks like your casual father and daughter stuff.
Is this the SpyxFamily TikTok incident 2.0?
@SirBadOpinions
Neopuritanism in fandoms has gotten 10x worse in the past year, especially accelerated in this pandemic where ppl really do have nothing better to do than to watch a show they hate the mc's design specifically to clip a part to post and be disgusted with it for internet points
@possumnest
Ah but a clip out of context will of course make it seem bad. He went back to rewatch her clip specifically to absorb what she said and then he was like "okay I can understand that, I agree" essentially. Maybe watch full vids before passing off misinfo.
"but all I did was google 'kid' to copy/paste so I could dunk on them lawl" okay, children are NOT lolis and they do NOT need to be posted in discussion of them, especially when the discussion is sexual. it must be real hard for ppl to live with being so fucking stupid.
usually one of two reasons:
1) Sex Icky and/or no interest in physical attraction irl or fictional. Nothing wrong with the latter but taking it out on shippers is silly, tho common.
2) Bitterness about (whether perceived or truthful) lack of non-shipping art.
it's cos they want to remove blame from themselves, when in reality pretending the problem doesn't exist is how it got this bad in the first place. it's easier to say you care about queer ppl than it is to acknowledge when they're being hurt in places that should be safe for them
Saying "I can't believe y'all are taking this Proship/Antiship so seriously, there's war and natural disasters happening lol!" is ignoring the VOLUMES of evidence on how this fandom discourse shit has affected REAL people, particularly marginalized folks who often are ignored.
@kny_quotes
I dislike the tanjigiyuu pairing and it never even crossed my mind that you were being serious, some ppl are just a lil too sensitive and don't understand the incorrect quotes thing is a gimmick for harmless silliness, don't feel bad about it at all, you're still awesome eri 💖
I wouldn't consider this drama. I would consider what they've done to you and continue to twist the knife in you nothing less than pure evil. You didn't deserve to be singled out, and I really hope these ppl get their comeuppance.
I get irritated at fire emblem & persona fans for being like this too "this panders to pedos" oh so you're purchasing pedo material? youre actively supporting pedo devs? even if they dont buy it they're in the fandom, so still supporting! like stfu & leave my hobbies already lmao
this is the accurate version lol. never liked the og comic. i know it's not the intention but it always felt condescending. like yeah no one is entitled to attention, but they can be sad no one sees or cares.
@tanatot
Ted was attractive by the standards of that time and was how ppl opened up their eyes to realize anyone can deceive no matter what they look like. The police were just generally apathetic/inept at investigating. Your narrative is very ignorant of what actually happened.
by doing this, it waters down just how fucked up of a crime it is. and now the kids groomed into spreading csem are gonna have a really fucked start in life cos that will be a mark on their record forever. I only feel sympathy for the younger fancops, but the adults... negative.
ppl need 2 stop exaggerating how "poorly written" female charas in anime are. u don't have to put down a character having a diff role from the male mcs. I know this is done sometimes so they can justify shipping m/m but like, it's fine to have a preference lol u don't need to lie
if the account isn't run by a groomer then it's definitely a stupid kid that will hopefully look back on this eventually & feel some shame for it. given the current state of things though, unlikely, since adult fancops have been grooming tf out of these kids to think this is ok.
it's getting so annoying the way ppl can't stop kvetching about high school settings, like if the author wanted it to be in college they'd do that. but most of the time there's an intent for it and these ppl have such main character syndrome everything needs to be in their demo
@thotgojo
@kyoruyeye
Like, if Marin was older, maybe she wouldn't be so blunt with her others about her tastes, since she would need to care more about their image, she also wouldn't have been able to meet Gojo, since they wouldn't have a common space to inhabit
even when they're not being predators they are still grooming minors into being shamed for any taboo/dark fictional interest they might develop, as well as teaching them to shame others. it's literally just evangelical christianity w/a fandom veneer. but they're the "normal" ones
This is part of why I hate shipping discourse because all someone has to do is put proship/pedos DNI in their bio and children think they’re a safe adult. These people surround themselves with children that they claim to protect but in reality are just trying to groom them.
a dislike button on ao3 would be abused by serial harassers organizing groups to mass dislike. op is a fancop w/proship dni in their bio and their example was of a white author writing raceplay which is very understandable to dislike 1/
nah, the second a minor steps into your adult space crying to you about being uncomfortable w/the contents in it, just block their annoying ass right away, there is absolutely no reason to drag it out, let them scream into the void on their own page
@AZH3RO
please learn to understand that the reason why CSEM is bad is because there is a victim, not because it's an icky image that makes you feel uncomfy. discomfort does not equal harm, and learn to block porn you don't like and get a life.
not sure what fancops think will happen if suddenly all the problematic stuff they despise vanished, like do they think groomers/pedos would not just use something else? it's fucking stupid to put the blame on the object over the abuser when the object is easily replaceable.
You don’t understand how grooming works and all this does is prove you’ve chosen to stay misinformed.
People like you are the real danger to children. Someone writing gross fics and not bothering others is not hurting anybody.
@PunishdCuckleon
@ENamingway
@LeGavoIsHere
@goronhead
In the og, Barret at some point finally sees through his black & white views & admits that what they did was not 100% the right course of action because hundreds of innocent people were killed/hurt as collateral for their cause. But I've noticed many ppl on here didn't play it 😌