people who think modern lwj would dress at the height of fashion are so desperate to ignore the obvious reality that this man would own 7 of the same white button down shirt
people see that scene where wwx refuses to buy a-yuan a toy as mean/strict but i've always read it as wwx subtly manipulating lwj into buying it instead so the kid would be less afraid of him, and it worked
not wholly sure why the fanon persists that gusu lan wasn't heavily involved in the siege of the burial mounds considering this bit in like, the beginning of the book
I don't think wwx was annoying as a person when he was young, I think he was 15 with a crush he desperately wanted attention from and tried to aggressively befriend him. but he couldn't read lwjs' mind, and I think people hold that against him sometimes
do people think mxtx chose to make wwx a son of a servant (whereas almost everyone else was born into the gentry) completely by accident. like there is an inherent power imbalance here and the novel definitely explores that. how do you miss this
i honestly think we should be bullying jgy more than we do with his audacity to go on and on about how much he personally suffered and "weh my dad sucked and my mom is dead" in a room full of people with shitty and/or dead parents. like what was that
if you think his actions were somehow unjustified or coming from a place of intentional malice i just assume you're not going to do any better with any other piece of media out there
what's your favorite "media literacy check". like a character or event that, depending on someone's opinion on it, shows if they can be trusted interpreting media.
a friend of a friend dislikes wx and stans su she hardcore and i have no idea how to talk to this person because clearly our evolutionary paths diverged a long time ago despite both of us being in mdzs hell. it's like how orcas are distantly related to cows
jgy is a great villain because he has a moderate case of main character syndrome and has managed to convince a portion of the fandom that he is, indeed, the main character
wwx actually does more than a handful of things like this throughout the novel and in general is very, very skilled at managing people's emotions and expectations. it's comparatively rare that he acts without thinking and you can see this even when he's a kid
interesting how it's so common to judge wwx's character by how he behaved at his worst point, but god forbid anyone acknowledge certain other characters' consistent horrible actions towards the people around them
What I don’t understand about all the need for the “brotherly” reconciliation between jc and wwx is that any stage of that relationship and bond pales in comparison to the brotherly companionship wwx formed with wen ning 😭 like THAT is his little brother
does anyone else think about how jin zixun tried to clown on the lans at that banquet for not drinking and lxc just sat there and let that disrespect happen
i don't think people quite grasp how important the core transfer is from a broader perspective because it's not just about saving jc's life, it's about preserving his pride and status as a cultivator and his position among the gentry. LP could not have a coreless leader
it's genuinely so weird to me that people are bothered by wwx being taken care of by lwj. it's not as if this is not reciprocal in various ways either. what is the problem here??
if he's being annoying, there's usually a point to it. like he enrages lqr to the point where he kicks him out of class, which suited wwx just fine because he didn't want to be in there anyway
lwj by default is more emotionally-driven than wwx is. he is full of feelings and it's so much for him to manage as a teenager and seemingly at odds with a lot of lan principles, and lwj as a kid was all about the rules. he genuinely feels for people in need though, and this is +
saw some headcanons about jc as yllz last night and almost cried laughing bc my man would just not survive the burial mounds. he'd off himself before anything else could get to him out of pure humilation. the pride is strong and the survival instincts are not in this case
i find the differences between lwj and lxc intriguing because the former is kind but not necessarily nice, whereas the latter is nice but not necessarily kind
hot take and donghua plot holes aside, wx not going back to cr and instead having their own house in the woods where wwx isnt alienated and they can fuck nasty every night in peace >>>>>>>>
i think my favorite criticism of wangxian at the end of the novel is that they don't care about the cultivation world because it completely falls apart when you point out they have every right to abstain from the politics of it
this is the scene right after wwx, jc, and their shidi have all been shooting kites down, but wwx takes sole blame for it. interestingly, he's willing to tolerate that but not the insult to his skills, so it's definitely not a low self-worth thing!
wwx very consistently takes the fall for other people because he's been forced into that role and I don't think we talk about that specifically nearly enough
the basis for a lot of his decisions, which ultimately creates distance between him and the rest of the cultivation world, where appearances, pride, and social standing are everything. the tension between his passion and The Rules is the basis for his character arc. he +
wwx very consistently takes the fall for other people because he's been forced into that role and I don't think we talk about that specifically nearly enough
i can handle a lot of bad takes but if you defend yzy there's no helping you. i don't even care if it's one of those situations where you were raised a certain way and defend her on that basis - if you can't understand why whipping a child is wrong then you're a terrible person
fem lwj would suffer so much. she'd be constantly told that she'd look better if she smiled, that she's too quiet, too serious, that men are afraid to approach her and if only she were as good-natured as her brother. why is she so dour. doesn't she want to get married someday?
mdzs fandom does nhs so dirty. either people diminish his intelligence or pair him with jc and i'm sorry but no, nhs is a man of taste and he simply Would Not
i've said this before but mdzs fandom remains an interesting study of people's relationship to authority figures and various social power structures. i just hope many eventually learn that being a bootlicker isn't a good thing lmao
centering the whole situation with colonizerji on your dislike of "darkji" and dark fiction is so fandombrained like can you PLEASE focus on what matters here and what matters is the racism
i actually really do love this element of the story as heartbreaking for wwx as it is and i get annoyed when people act like this was done to spite jc somehow because it's the absolute opposite
i think a lot of discourse comes down to the fact that: half of this fandom is super mad that wwx and lwj are all-around decent people, meanwhile their favs are fundamentally not, and there's really no way to argue in their favor, so they just mischaracterize *everyone* instead
this is why I'm super sus of people who think radical feminism is redeemable if you just somehow excise the transphobia. this shit is rotten from the roots
A key thing people need to understand is that Radfems aren't JUST about being anti-trans.
They believe:
+Women don't know what's best for themselves including sexually
+Gender Essentialism = Woman ALWAYS Good👼, Man ALWAYS Bad👿
+Porn corrupts the mind
+Have no Intersectionality
i wouldn't say fandom has mainstreamed but i'm really not fond of the "sometimes the curtains are just blue" crowd just because they're *actively hostile* towards a deeper reading of the media they claim to love, as well as the people who want to examine it more closely
refusing to tag certain elements in your fic essentially just says, "i have no respect for other people's boundaries and am going to force them to see what i want them to see because i value my preferences over someone else's comfort or safety," and makes you an ass
in the novel lwj and wwx live in cloud recesses, in cql they make wangxian parted. In the donghua they gave wangxian their own cottage. like I'm gonna cry they gave my babies they own cottage. they really live happily ever after away from the cultivation world
i wonder what other ppl read when wwx said "i bully you during the day and you bully me at night" because this is an accurate summation of wangxian's core dynamic lmao
imagine wangxian with a daughter. you'd think wwx would be the one spoiling her rotten but no. in lwj's eyes she has never done anything wrong, ever, in her life
one last point re: jgy, i have a hard time feeling bad for someone who killed and manipulated his way into a position he felt he deserved just because his father was already in it. at the end of the day it wasn't even revenge, just entitlement 🤷
the frequency and ease at which certain people throw around pedophile accusations is REALLY disturbing to me because it's like they're weaponizing how serious an accusation this is against literally anything they don't like. deranged af behavior
mdzs fandom makes sense when you get that people skipped the extras bc those are essentially the themes of the book, but spoonfed to you in case you missed it the first time. i missed a couple things in my initial reading, but the extras hammered them in. please read the extras
i get why "lmao lwj is so petty" is popular but it's not like, a good understanding of his character and the whole situation with jc having led the siege that killed wwx and all that
i always note when people make wwx dark-skinned and simultaneously joke about him being dumb. and by note i mean block 👍 keep that colorism away from me please and ty
"the novel teaches not to believe rumors so easily" funny how 🍇 stans never give wwx the benefit of a doubt and insist that he killed 3000 cultivators at nightless city even though this is completely unsubstantiated yet their meow meow is cleared of all torture-related charges
i literally could not be less interested in debating whether mdzs is "age appropriate" for teenagers but i really, really wish minors in this fandom would learn to respect the fact that most of us adults do not want to interact with them given the nature of the content
i have a love/hate relationship with the different characterization changes across the adaptations but drunk and jealous donghua!lwj giving wn the gentlest shove is one of the funniest
failing to understand why an author made a particular choice is not automatically a reflection of the author's ability or intelligence. maybe you just need to look closer. maybe the work is not for you. maybe try a little harder than "well i don't get it so this is a bad book"
oblique maybe but if you analyze eng fandom's interpretation of mdzs' social structures through a yt supremacist framework, it becomes very apparent why so many fans side with the gentry. the majority of eng fandom is yt, and it's an indictment of their own relationship to power
i think an essential missing component of the "wwx is morally grey" arguments is whether you believe killing imperialists is inherently bad or not. if you believe it's bad then i see where you're coming from. you're wrong though
lrt, so many people not knowing that mdzs contains a fair amount of sex is proof that a not-insignificant chunk of this fandom has never read the book but deliberately gives the opposite impression lmao
some of his fans believing his champion of the people shtick is interesting given that he shows he's willing to sacrifice anyone for power and admits that himself. it's like it's just that convincing. he's written quite well, all things considered
not to harp on endlessly about the chief cultivator thing but there's something to be said for cql!lwj becoming the head of the establishment that ostracized and killed his soulmate when the option was there to walk away with him