So Viv:
-Lied about A24 being the ones to recast everyone.
-Didn't have the common courtesy to extend an invitation to the OG crew who got her where she is.
-And most likely threatened Ed's job if he sang a Goodbye song?
Wow. Speaks volumes of her as a person.
that comment: "he basically asked for it" .....can Viv stop using rape as an actual joke? Especially after ep. 4 when we're supposed to have it taken seriously? Seriously, if you can't handle SA with dignity stop touching it.
And she had multiple premieres...multiple chances to fix that. But she doesn't care. She doesn't care that those people gave these characters souls and got her where she is.
She tossed them aside when she was done using them. Vile.
@s3tok41b4
So Viv Was lying about A24 recasting everyone. That was her decision. She also didn't invite the OG team who Built her characters and Fandom to the premiere? She also was going to fire Ed if he sang a goodbye song?? Dude. The ego on this woman.
Tw/sexual Assault
How is this okay to anyone? This is so damn triggering to actual SA survivors to have this trauma shown in detail like this! With no warning either, its going to hurt alot of people and is so disrespectful. Warn those planning to watch.
#HazbinHotel
#AngelDust
@historiancole
The Titanic should be left where it is and respected as a grave site. It isnt a tourist attraction is is a piece of history that should be studied from books and left where it lies.
@SoftFurSunlight
Because Viv thinks that rape is funny and ultimately not that bad (ie. Husk comparing his gambling and contract to Al to Angel being constantly SA'ed at work by his boss). Thus finds writing jokes about it to be okay because 'ha ha silly snake gets r*ped funny'
@helluvareceipts
I really latched onto AD because I thought he would be represented well and help show me and other survivors that we aren't damned or broken and we can be redeemed....but no. Its just made out to be another joke. "Its fiction" it's not. We wouldn't have spoken up hurt if it was.
@SaiScribbles
And the implied SA isn't funny.
I agree that the room going silent and no one taking him up on it would have been funnier since when he offered drinks everyone went nuts.
The tonal whiplash just doesn't work in this situation especially after episode 4
People....realize that she was 20 when this was drawn right? Shes 31 now....20 is sure as hell old enough to know better then thinking p3dos are quirky "xD" 😬
To the sick freaks defending the lack of tactful handling of this. Calling me a wuss for turning off comments because I'm sick of being told my trauma isn't valid- kindly gtfo the internet and touch grass. SA people have spoken and this is triggering. End of story.
@SoftFurSunlight
I dont think it was handled well. Some say yes and that's fine. But those that don't think it was are being talked over and silenced on twotter and threads by her and fans. Reglaress of a cartoon demon show this is 🚩🚩🚩
@helluvareceipts
Ah. The victim blaming. Rape apologists. And chronically online. These have notes of "well you shouldn't have worn that" "did you think maybe you shouldnt lead them on" and "well im fine with it so you should be too".
@s3tok41b4
The fact she had SO MANY premieres too. So many chances to Right that wrong....and she couldn't be bothered. The people that got her where she is.
@s3tok41b4
Rotten Tomatoes is active deleting 500+ reviews to raise the audience score.
So silencing the reviews they don't like to make a show sound better then it is is apparently perfectly fine? Shady af tho
Imagine having SA survivors tell you that they don't like the r4pe scene and you calling them "antis" and playing the victim.....then saying everyone is valid....wow.
@s3tok41b4
Shared passion? Of a paycheck.
The plot is gone. The characters voices all trashed for Broadway voices some of which aren't VAs. And the animation tanked due to lack of budget. Where's the passion? Where's the charm? Hell, where the premise the pilot promised? Scrapped like HB
@Alex900989
Also missing the point. I am a SA survivor, as are So many others speaking up about how poorly this scene was handled. Trauma isn't sexy and ptsd shouldn't be shown like this
@SoftFurSunlight
Something fishy is going on. It's not the first time they faked good reviews according to a quick Google search...but this is worrying. Why lie? Why delete those reviews??
@sootbox_
Thank you! People wonder why we get pissed when Viv shows SA as a joke 2 episodes and then 2 seconds after its supposed to be serious!
How does this make sense? Is Angel's SA supposed to be a joke now or how long until it's made into one? It's gross. She needs to drop SA topics
@Dragonessa007
Then why lie about it? It would have been easier for her to say she made that decision not try to place all the blame on the studio bevause she knew she would get bashlash. I understand it happens, but how she handled it seemed disingenuous
@LesbicaTomboy
The poor animators hiding what they can with her hair so they don't have to work on so many tiny details. The movements are so jagged in places it doesn't make sense how they're moving. Nothing on the animators thats on lack of clear choreography
@Showtoonz123
Husk: "don't be a whiny bitch" bro...the whole song reads as if SA survivors should get over it because everyone has it bad....What an absolute shit take.
@FriedRatRant
Exactly! It was handled well in Addict but the stuff in the episode is triggering. And considering it apparently gets worse is damaging. Especially considering people are silencing SA survivors who are saying its triggering and not handled with respect
@Idolomantises
@s3tok41b4
I'm glad people are seeing what they're doing amd calling it out. Gaslighting fans and having the story watered down like this isn't at all why people are mad. They showed assult in a "sexy" light and people are rightfully pissed. But they don't care.
@Showtoonz123
Yeah i don't understand how Adam can be an angel and the executioners can be considered good when they're killing people too? Doesn't that make them just as bad? Killing for sport/entertainment?
@SoftFurSunlight
Shes incredibly classy and makes beautiful art and stories. She does so much research and is so sweet in streams. Essentially the complete opposite of That One.
@s3tok41b4
As an SA survivor that shit episode was super disrespectful and hurt. Bad. "Used goods"? Are we fucking serious rn? Fuck Vivian and fuck hazbin.
We dont deserve to feel heard or empowered of it doesn't match what others feel.
Being silent doesn't fix problems.
Being silent is how our abusers got away with what they did.
@SoftFurSunlight
I get she's got a r4pe kink but can we stop making it a joke? SA and the trauma associated with it isn't fucking funny? Why does that have to be said?
@SoftFurSunlight
Sa survivor here that v1v and her stans told to sit down and shut up when voicing my discomfort about 4. Thought maybe it would get better. Then the ep. With Pen came out. And it wasn't better.
Now I see a bunch of rape apologists/ "well he asked for it"...this fandom is doomed
@Thatguyinthest2
The quote was from the OP it has since been deleted because they realized their wording was terrible for this.
I used it as an example due to that same wording being used to brush of victims of irl SA being used toward Pentious in this instance because it was in a 'joke'
@s3tok41b4
Hinestly there was so much wasted potential in this entire series as a whole. It contributed nothing. The narrative was lacking so badly that its already being forgotten. People had so much hope/ waited years for the pilot premise they were promised just to have a bait and switch
@Troublerats
Thank you for saying this so well. Im noticing because he's been pushed as 'having sex appeal' his actions are getting a pass which is making actual SA victims uncomfortable. The fact Viv and the board artists are into the r*pe-ship makes it so much worse
Also husk telling AD hes a loser and everyone has issues so his aren't important is a fucked up way of dealing with the situation. Because afterward everything is resolved. We have a 5 month time skip and dont know Shit about any form of character development.
This show wants to take Angel Dust's sexual assault seriously, but then portrays sexual harassment and a completely different character being sexually assaulted like a joke.
@sapphillean_
@Mango_WasTaken
I domt think people realize these are the excuses that people use and they get away with actual SA like this..."oh it was cnc" "oh they asked for it" "oh they wanted it because they were drunk" ...
@s3tok41b4
Wow. Looks like shit....but its all flat 2D puppets with minimal to no shading so like....the animation matches weak writing...sad to see when it had such potential.
@ujivoice
This seems....illegal? Has this been reported to the appropriate sources like the better business bureau?
Its also listed as a game studio? Not an animation studio? Are the taxes the same on those things?
I'm honestly so disgusted that Viv thinks Rape is funny.
Please take classes in empathy and interview actual survivors with ptsd and tell me this shit is funny.
@helluvareceipts
So they're mad the lackadaisy team pays their artists a living wage?? And is professional?? Cant spell Mel without the L... Lol stop deflecting and focus on writing more SA Mel. What a weirdo.
@s3tok41b4
Can we just have good writing that isn't about the mlm ship in the "female led" show? Isn't this about hell and rising up against heaven? Why are we invested in shipping like its tumblr?
@LadiesMan217G
@VivziePop
@SamHaft
Yeah...a lot are speaking up and Viv decided to backpeddle and run to Threads. Her SH Instagram is also being incredibly callous to the victims who are rightfully upset with her
This. This narrative.
Glamorizing the rapist and making him a 'whiny piss baby' then encouraging others to sexualize the rapist so he gets a 'free pass' hurts actual irl victims.
Regardless of blorbos actual real victims are voicing concerns and pain.
@s3tok41b4
Took one of the most interesting characters and made him a babysitter. Yup. This writing is Flawless. Yup. Grade A plot twit there. Ugh. So much wasted potential. Not worth the Prime sub and extra cash to watch it would commercials. Not even gonna pirate this garbo
@SoftFurSunlight
I'm sorry but I've never seen another show runner liking comments on social media harassing someone. None of the other indie animations do that. I've never seen someone be so blatantly gross and watch people flock to defend then with such weak arguments. Over what? Why? Its crazy
@SoftFurSunlight
@__Slashy__
Shes on vacation again right now in New York going to Broadway and eating at all these places with Fake Blonde and someone else....shes literally sharing her location on Instagram doxxing herself.
@Fr2dM2rc0ry
@SlayQueenArt
I mean it was....certainly a choice to be That graphic with it....and then sing a song telling him to "stop whining like a bitch" because everybody has it bad.....so....that was a choice.
The self proclaimed "spear head of indie animation" pays her animators $1.50 an hour while she travels to Japan to pet abused foxes and owls amd bumps shoulders with Broadway actors.....wow. way to shit on everything that built her up.
Higher they are, harder they fall.
Also, this confirms that the usual pay rate over at Helluva is $60 per second. For characters and animation this complex, that's *very* low.
Mind you, this is all happening while Vivzie treats herself to front row Broadway seats and lavish vacations.
@SoftFurSunlight
Yet when it happens to Angel its 'oh no bb blorbo r*ped sad!' ....can someone really be this tone deaf or has her fetish for noncon rotted her brain that badly?
Green light to send this around has been given, and you'd better believe I'm gonna do just that.
Proof, straight from Adam himself, of Spindlehorse paying Hazbin animators $35 per second. That is fucking /slave wages./
This is abuse.
@SoftFurSunlight
Imagine being so self absorbed that when Victims of actual Crimes tell you something is wrong representing them and you call them "antis"....instead of just...listen? Or say something? But this tantrum is just so horrible
@GoldenGodmann
@helluvareceipts
That lasts my whole life now. My memory loss, my triggers, etc. Forgove me for finding comfort in a character i thought would portray the same trauma i went though in a validating and empowering way...
@helluvareceipts
Honestly r*pe isn't f*ckin funny. The fact she wants us to take it seriously in ep.4 then turns around and makes r*pe the joke in ep.6 is so gross. Like...bruh, our trauma isn't a f*cking punchline you freak. Ew. Get help. Be better.
@s3tok41b4
This is actually deeply unprofessional and gross behavior. They really want to speed run how to make a toxic environment full of SA fetishism, hate mongering, and unprofessionalism.
This will get them blacklisted from any future productions....especially since indie is so small