@SimonDixonTwitt
I have been on a lot of spaces & picked up on a few recurring themes..
1. Ppl seem to want their crypto preserved and not converted to fiat in the restructuring process
2. Most are prepared to wait if it will help recoup a greater % but some need funds asap for basic necessities
@CelsiusUcc
@CelsiusNetwork
@Silkee_D
@ThomasADiFiore
We The People would like to transform Celsius into the first of its kind, fully transparent bedrock digital asset institution, entirely owned by the community.
We need clarity on the following as soon as possible… 1/2
The Celsius Plan Is Approved
Did you think you’d be still be doing these Celsius ch11 updates 18 months later
@AaronDBennett
? So glad we’re finally heading for the exit 🚀🔥👊
Happy, Healthy & prosperous new year Aaron!
Hard to believe it’s a full year since our lives have been upended. Stay strong Celsius creditors. Its been a torturous ride but would have been unmanageable without this amazing community. Hopefully we are getting closer to the end and can move on & start rebuilding very soon 💪🏼
@CelsiusUcc
@ColodnyAaron
@FahrenheitHldg
Can you pls provide creditors with a distribution waterfall for the plan that shows how we go from roughly 49% of remaining liquid crypto to 24% distributable?
If we’re gonna do this thing, we’d 💙 full transparency 🙏
Also, wen spaces?
Took a quick stab at figuring out recoveries for earn in liquidation vs Earn funded NewCo scenarios. Source numbers for each class/bucket pulled from several places. Didn’t have time to vet raw data myself so pls poke holes in values & analysis so I can tighten up this 1st draft.
Wasn’t upset in the slightest Fri when informed that I didnt make the NewCo Board. I simply wanted best poss lineup. But expanding to 9, giving FH 3, giving up majority control & destroying creditor good will by not including even 1 creditor outside of UCC is beyond comprehension
Celsius Claim Form- Google Drive. Thank you
@mannymane
for working with other community members & several lawyers to get this out to everyone as soon as possible without asking for compensation!
NLA!
For comparison, the orderly wind down under BRIC has 308.4m of expenses & 100m for Administrative Claims (basically professional fees as well).
We need out but pls do better
@CelsiusUcc
. This isnt a typical BK. We were all duped by CN & ppls life savings at risk here.
@arrington
Plan execution burn summary:
We were all so thrilled (& still are) when
@arrington
group showed up & agreed to only hold back 450m to make plan work & return remaining assets to creditors. Little did we know that expenses would be on top of that figure & reach 581m more…
1/3
Amazing job
@otisa502
@cryptoismyjam
. Super professional with no budget, unreal! And the ideas for maximising the Cel token utility flywheel only adds to the value of Celsius & the creditors estate. Celsians working together & crowdsourcing talent, skills, passion &…
1/33 CEL Token Utility is Essential for Chapter 11 Recovery Plan & Onwards
6 ways to increase CEL utility, build up Celsius' treasury & ensure a bank run NEVER happens again
📽️
@YouTube
explainer video:
📝
@Medium
article:
🧵 👇
@CelsiansNetwork
I forget which creditor suggested the name Phoenix. Loved that name. If
@arrington
@njess
reunite creditors with most of their remaining assets & create something constructive out of this passionate community, rising form the ashes like a Phoenix seems like a perfect name
Plan execution burn summary:
We were all so thrilled (& still are) when
@arrington
group showed up & agreed to only hold back 450m to make plan work & return remaining assets to creditors. Little did we know that expenses would be on top of that figure & reach 581m more…
1/3
They didn’t protect retail which is their primary charge.
They didn’t say a word throughout the Ch11 reorg/confirmation process.
And now that the plan is finally approved they are hard at work keeping us trapped in this value destructive process longer.
Well done
@SECGov
👍
SCOOP: The plan to revamp bankrupt crypto lender
@CelsiusNetwork
has hit a speed bump with
@SECGov
, according to a person familiar with the matter.
@IanAllison123
reports
1/8
Any final feedback/critique on the attached framework for a Community led recovery before I submit to
@CelsiusNetwork
@CelsiusUcc
?
What I like about it..
1. It uses ALL assets of the estate to recover/recoup our lost funds…
Celsius Community Driven Recovery Plan 2.0
🙏 all for the amazing feedback & constructive discussions. I’ve attempted to incorporate a lot of the ideas generated by the community including the core components of the various plans put out by community leaders in recent weeks
Celsius creditors have claims against, and beneficial ownership of the following assets;
1. Remaining coins
2. Pro rata share of Mining (currently has value)
3. Pro rata share of “core biz” (currently has near zero value)
(2 & 3 should not be lumped together)
1/
Me in Nepal starting 7 day trek up to Everest Base Camp with good friends, doing my best to ignore the Crypto world crumbling to the ground.
It won’t be easy but we will build back stronger over time. We have to.
Go to 41:30, listen for 10 min. Some amazing points to consider.
@CelsiusLoans
is very lucky to have
@DavidJAdler1991
.. Actually we all are. Let’s keep working together towards building something groundbreaking & historic here!
@CelsiusUcc
@CelsiusNetwork
Should the court allow Celsius to limit creditor recoveries to the dollarised value of your assets on the petition date (ie if you held 1 BTC valued at 20k, if BTC goes up to 80k, should Celsius be allowed to give you 20k cash (or .25 BTC) and keep the leftovers?
@CelsiusUcc
Now that the examiners report is out, glad to see all groups recognizing just how egregious & reckless AM was. Now, let’s stop the bleed, figure out how to get all liquid & illiquid assets out of Ch11, & into a constructive trust or newco with the goal of preserving what’s left.
Let bidders know what is most important to creditors👇.
For me it’s not losing our remaining BTC/ETH. Im all for capturing the value of the most passionate community of HODLers that exists & willing to stay locked in to create s/t awesome as long as we ❌ risk losing what’s left
🙏
@CelsiusUcc
&
@CelsiusNetwork
for not protecting Alex & SOME of the other fraudsters & working out a deal with the regulators that will have minimal impact on Creditor recoveries.
Now it’s time to clean house of ALL bad actors, reduce payroll to a handful of ppl & GTFO of ch11
Bottom line here is that
@CelsiusNetwork
needs to work lockstep with the
@CelsiusUcc
to get a community owned and led reorg done that will feasibly beat any predatory outside bid. At this point, all of our incentives should be 💯 aligned.
Given the criminal fraud charges against Celsius, does any one know if…
1 Creditors can now deduct capital losses against ordinary income
2 Creditors can now ammend old tax returns & remove taxable interest paid out to depositors
3 Both
@ThomasBraziel
@DavidJAdler1991
@ksuckno
@SimonDixonTwitt
@aryeh_newman
@ArturMPA
@otisa502
@CELCATOFFICIAL
Simon’s take on this Lehman brothers moment is spot on. Let’s support him or whoever is able to bring in trusted players and work with the SEC to finalize a framework for a fully compliant & transparent Bitcoin lending platform that the industry desperately needs. 1.7mm, stay 💪🏼
2/2
1. Roughly how much new capital would be needed to make a stand alone community led reorg viable and feasible?
2. Is it feasible for us to begin work with regulators asap to expedite obtaining any necessary licenses needed to resume operations & begin our road to recovery?
Serious Q for Celsius creditors-
No guarantees in ch11, but wld you prefer getting court approval to move forward w/ the revised MiningCo plan or do you think other options should be re-explored/re-solicited?
Thoughtful answers pls (toxic keyboard warriors need not respond 🙏)
Keep putting creditors 1st
@arrington
@njess
at al and I believe together with this unreal community that has been through hell, we have everything needed to build something absolutely phenomenal from the ashes
Sign me up to be customer
#1
for NewCo’s Eth staking service
Coinflow Recovery Worksheet V3
Not updated to reflect recent case filing # s. Just a framework for plugging in final disclosure statement to analyze flow of coins in kind based on various scenarios (too many permutations to list as loans treatment, NewCo funding & Cel unclear RN)
Celsius creditors: Worth watching this great discussion with
@Silkee_D
&
@ashergenoot
on plans for Newco Bitcoin Mining. Super excited to get out of ch11 and build someting incredible 🚀
Celsius Crypto’s Mining Deal W/ Asher Genoot & Scott Duffy
@AaronDBennett
@CelsiusNetwork
I noticed your more optimistic views in recent YouTube videos. Would ♥️ to see you cover some of the plans & ideas coming from the community. Unfortunately, main stream media seems to only focus on the ch11 proceedings, ignoring the gr8 potential for rebuilding something awesome.
Feeling the frustration after todays
@CelsiusNetwork
hearing. The legal process can feel like a game of kick the can down the road (more like up a mountain) but keep in mind that today was about the complex legalities, not reorg. Im looking forward to UCCs plan to exit ch11 quick
Important piece from DS to read & understand 👇. Should help clear up a lot of misconceptions re petition date pricing vs ultimate recovery in kind.
In summary, petition date pricing is only used to determine each creditor’s pro-rata share of assets & distributions..
1/
Pls avoid prepackaged professional answers or heavy sales pitches. We’ve had too much of that in the past. If we do this thing we want to go eyes wide open. We have an amazingly passionate, skilled & supportive community & promise to spend endless hours analysing on spaces 😉
1/2
Clawbacks from non-insiders that kept most of their assets on Celsius & withdrew much less than they deposited in the 90 day period is beyond predatory.
I don’t buy that they are simply following the code. They clearly have reasonable discretion & are choosing who to shake down
More bad news for
@CelsiusNetwork
network creditors. Heard back from my K&E email:
“I can confirm that the withdrawal amount consists only of withdrawals and does not take into account deposits.”
Please step up
@CelsiusUcc
to end the Debtor’s determination to inflict max pain
Thank you
@TheRealPlanC
@blockchainherd
&
@DavidJAdler1991
for helping us common folk process todays Celsius hearing
(Definitely worth listening to the 1st 20 min of David explaining why a determination that CN was a Ponzi could be baaad for us all)
Follow up: Seems this is Creditors take generally
Step 1- We need transparency on where remaining assets are going
Step 2- Cut bleed to reorg expenses & professional fees in 1/2
Step 3- If staking biz makes sense reduce amt needed, if not cut it out of plan
Step 4- Exit ch11 ASAP
1/2
@SimonDixonTwitt
maybe engage Sam in productive convos on recovery plans for Celsius 🤷🏻♂️
Keep an open mind ppl. We have no idea how this plays out or what synergies there may be in the future. Constructive conversation only pls. No gaslighting. We’ve all had enough of that…
If you want to buy the assets of
@CelsiusNetwork
after
@Mashinsky
scammed us the community would like to get clarity on these two questions so we can put the matter to bed
@SBF_FTX
? DM me and we can talk it out if you prefer.
@DigitalAssetUpd
Not a fair synopsis of the 2 hrs he spent elaborating on his position. I found
@Zach_HODL_ON
to be mature and wise beyond his yrs. He made it very clear that he was blindsided by the lock up how bad things were under the hood yet he is choosing to work on solutions. So impressed
Wait, what? Did I miss that somewhere or could there be a bigger plan hidden in all the blanks and TBDs? I certainly hope so b/c as much as I love the Wolf meme, so far I am not feeling too compelled to risk the other 50% of my assets with top tier bankruptcy pros aka Wulfpack
To those that feel the
@CelsiusUcc
is intentionally not working in creditors best interest, just realise this process is a minefield. Just because something should happen, doesn’t mean it has to happen NOW. Sometimes the most optimal or direct route is not in a straight line.
1-In connection with its investigation, the UCC has identified significant claims and causes of action that Celsius has against Alex Mashinsky and other insiders for breaching their fiduciary obligations, fraudulent transfers, and other causes of action.
🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: SBF - I'M REALLY, REALLY, SORRY I THREW AWAY WHAT WE BUILT AT FTX
Sam Bankman-Fried:
"There are customers who, I agree with most of what Sunil said, what they've gone through, and obviously money they didn't think they'd use; they are deprived of the gains.
Celsius creditors having issues getting crypto distributions.
Seems that distributions will remain in BTC/ETH &… “In such cases, the Post-Effective Date Debtors will reroute the creditor's distribution to another Distribution Agent, but it may take additional time to do so”
I can only describe today in one word- 🤮
The toxicity on Celsius ch11 twitter was off the charts (like 99% of my feed) & disturbing
Millions of ppl hurting from crypto platforms that went bust & are trying to make sense of it all but many are just🤬 & at eachothers throats 1/2
@otisa502
@SimonDixonTwitt
@CelsiusNetwork
Otis there is no way for anyone to finalize a detailed plan without having detailed financials including how short Celsius is of each specific asset (Btc, Eth, USDC, etc).
@Mashinsky
keeping the numbers from us is infuriating. This is a text I sent Alex last night. No response OC
Good 🌚 Celsius fam 🥰
Epic day, almost indescribable. We were pushed to our limits. We questioned if we could make it. Some had to turn back, my friend got ill but made it. It was exhilarating & exhausting. So much to process & many parallels to our journey w/ Celsius.
Pics 👇
1099s are due by the end of Jan. However, there is more than sufficient basis to take the position that
@CelsiusNetwork
acted as a hedge fund & the yield being paid to earn was not in fact yield or paid. DO NOT ISSUE 1099s FOR 2022! It would only add to the carnage & damages owed
While we all want those responsible brought to justice,
@cryptoyolo7
is right. As long as our assets are locked in ch11, creditors are still walking a minefield. Additional complications at this point will just cost us all more time and money that many cannot afford to lose.
4 things regarding Celsius ch11 that become even more obvious this first week of 2023
1. Alex Mashinski is irrelevant and has no influence on the direction of ch11 exit or any future company
2. There were no bids on core biz with a significant cash component
Shout out to
@TheRealPlanC
for standing up for Cel token depositors on the town hall!
If the estate sells off assets into a newco & kills the Cel token, non-insiders need to be treated fairly.
(Full disclosure: I personally don’t care. Cel represents under 1.4% of my deposits)
1/3 Read thru Celsius auction transcript & pulled relevant references to 450/500 funding. Lots of changes along the way but plan seems to return e/t aside for 450/500 which will also be used to support collateral IF loans stay active (ie funding isn’t in addition to collateral)👏
Ty
@camcrews
of
@HellsiusNetwork
for getting recording of part 1 of todays post Fahrenheit presentation spaces getting creditor reaction + amazing discussion.
If nothing else, take a close look at the thumbnail 🤣
Go to 1:17:50. Very encouraging!
Thank you Greg
@CelsiusUcc
,
@Silkee_D
,
@ThomasADiFiore
for putting us 1st and working tirelessly behind the scenes on a groundbreaking stand alone reorg owned by the community!
No cram down. Make this plan 100% depositors first and you have a huge opportunity here to help creditors whose lives have been decimated and jumpstart the most trusted Crypto conglomerate in the space Novawulf. Anything less is unacceptable in a ch11 like this. GL
Celsius Board Member reveals how to get your coins back, when “New Celsi... via
@YouTube
How did I miss this? Ty
@davidlin_TV
& congrats on the new channel.
@Rushhout
@jk_seriouslyjk
@eastcoast48
@Hodler24Seven
@ozi_crypto
Been listening on spaces for months & working on this. Was going to release anonymously (so I don’t get attacked) after a much needed vacation with family but wth… hopefully this leads to some positive discussion & better iterations including tokenisation
(Pg 2 to follow)
@otisa502
@cryptoismyjam
✌️ together we are all going to make sure Celsius ends up being an absolutely incredible company with all of us better off for having gone through this incredibly difficult time together
Do you think NovaWulf or another competent sponsor/manager of NewCo can survive on 8-10% interest on 45m secured convertible loan, plus, for the 1st 3 yrs, earn 1.5% flat management fee (37.5mm annually assuming 2.5bn in AUM), & the creditors get .5% - after 3 years each get 1%?
… ideas for restructuring Celsius as a community owned/guided platform can be groundbreaking. Together, we can transform Celsius into the innovative, fully transparent & compliant, premier bedrock Bitcoin/crypto financial services ecosystem that we all want & need.
MiningCo Transaction Snapshot
Not an easy needle to thread. Ch11 is a minefield. Thankfully we don’t need to waste many more months & burn another 100mm re-soliciting
#timetoexit
ASAP
As a Jew I have always valued human life above all else. I continue to be critical of Israel & highly sensitive to the Palestinian plight.
However, one has to be entirely brainwashed to compare the barbaric, subhuman actions of Hamas to the actions of Israel.
Enough!
When can we hear more abt other plans? Creditors want/need a creditor-centric plan that;
-Gives us equity but ❌ take what’s left of our assets
-❌ penalize those that want to sell equity
- ❌ give incentives to sponsor on BTC/ETH appreciation
There is a better way!
Today, the Court approved our motion to extend exclusivity to file a plan through the end of March. We continue to work closely with all stakeholders and NovaWulf to finalize remaining elements of our plan.
Refusal to give guidance & non-existent enforcement for years in the face of obvious nefarious activities by some, followed by stifling crackdown on good actors in the space causing additional pain & destruction to retail…
Bottom line- Gary has failed all of us & needs to go.
There are maybe 2 ppl left in the 🌎that believe AM did no wrong & many 1000s that felt another kick in the stomach once the extent of the examiners report set in this week. Good on those that gave the benefit of the doubt until there was no doubt left
#notyourfault
#inittogether
So glad you knew nothing about bankruptcy prior to Celsius
@arrington
. Would have been so much worse for creditors if you hadn’t stepped up to the plate 👊
@DavidJAdler1991
Alex should do the right thing and immediately sell off all assets and give proceeds to creditors. He won’t. At what point does the meter start on accrual of statutory interest on monies owed?
@cryptoismyjam
@AliDemi66792024
@otisa502
Yep, the Celsius Community is supportive, passionate, full of positivity and loyal to a fault. Unified, the community is the networks most valuable asset. As things progress, we may have a tremendous opportunity to promote a positive outcome for all so keep supporting eachother.
Update per
@RaviFahrenheit
on
@FahrenheitHldg
Spaces: Institutional Loans & Defi/Staking assets are considered illiquid for purposes of the plan (not entirely sure why not liquidated/distributed), & will transfer to NewCo, which means 380m in reorg expenses & professional fees👇
Plan execution burn summary:
We were all so thrilled (& still are) when
@arrington
group showed up & agreed to only hold back 450m to make plan work & return remaining assets to creditors. Little did we know that expenses would be on top of that figure & reach 581m more…
1/3
Seems like some have a different take, but here is what I gathered from the Celsius hearing today..
A. There are no significant value maximizing cash bids to date
B. Reorg/Newco appears to be best option for creditor recoveries & is now the primary ch11 exit being pursued
1/4
@mcagney
Mike, how can we address 👇? Creditors do not want to risk losing what is left of their BTC/ETH. The taxable event caused by the debt for equity swap alone will force those with a low cost basis to sell their equity & withdrawable coins just to pay Uncle Sam. Devastating!
Let bidders know what is most important to creditors👇.
For me it’s not losing our remaining BTC/ETH. Im all for capturing the value of the most passionate community of HODLers that exists & willing to stay locked in to create s/t awesome as long as we ❌ risk losing what’s left
👇 harassment. Why do some ppl have an obsession with “squeezers” that is on the level of others obsession with
@SimonDixonTwitt
. We are not the KGB & participating in squeeze is not grounds for confiscating ppls assets. Alex & insiders defrauded us here not Cel holders
#getagrip