No, I don't support mandated vasectomies or mandated tubal sterilization. I’m not interested in forcing people to get pregnant or not. I’m not pro-life because I want to control people’s bodies or punish people for sex. I just think once a human exists, it's wrong to kill them.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy?
If I go to a casino and bet on roulette, but it doesn’t land on my number, I lose my chips. I can’t say “now that I’ve seen the outcome, I withdraw consent.” You don’t get to withdraw consent from effects of an action you consented to!
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy?
If I go to a casino and bet on roulette, but it doesn’t land on my number, I lose my chips. I can’t say “now that I’ve seen the outcome, I withdraw consent.” You don’t get to withdraw consent from effects of an action you consented to!
If you willingly go swimming with a newborn, you MADE the newborn dependent on you to float, so you do NOT get to revoke consent so they drown and die. If you willingly engaged in sex, you MADE the fetus dependent on you, so you do NOT get to revoke consent via killing them.
Let me be clear: I have no interest in controlling women’s bodies or punishing people for having sex or something. I just want to end legalized killing of innocent human persons, and the unborn are innocent human persons.
Pregnancy is not exotic. Or a disease. It's a perfectly normal biological process that my body is preparing to do literally every month. Stop degrading women. Stop degrading pregnancy.
Abortion and miscarriage are the same? That's like the difference between cremation and burning someone alive; sure, they’re both the same thing procedurally (the burning fire part) but there’s a VERY relevant difference of whether the human being burned is alive. Abortion kills.
“Sex isn’t a contract to incubate a human within your body”
The problem is that pregnancy is being talked about like it is an ACTION instead of an EFFECT. When you consent to actions you are also consenting to that action’s consequences even if you consider them to be undesirable
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy?
If I go to a casino and bet on roulette, but it doesn’t land on my number, I lose my chips. I can’t say “now that I’ve seen the outcome, I withdraw consent.” You don’t get to withdraw consent from effects of an action you consented to!"
A fetus is alive because it has the characteristics of living things; it's growing through cellular reproduction, it’s metabolizing food into energy, and it’s reacting to stimuli. It is uncontroversially ALIVE.
A fetus in pregnancy isn’t dying and in need of rescuing; the fetus is a perfectly healthy but vulnerable person, and abortion intentionally and directly kills that vulnerable person via suffocation, lethal injection, or dismemberment. That is wrong.
If a fetus is a parasite...then humans reproduce via parasitism? And a pregnancy that results in the live birth of a healthy infant is a failure? It’s a sign that the woman’s body failed to defeat a 9 month parasite?
Biologically, that makes absolutely no sense.
Since I believe abortion is the violent and unjust killing of innocent humans, telling me to mind my own business isn’t going to work. We don’t mind our own business about that kind of thing. You have to prove why I’m wrong about what abortion IS.
No, I don't support mandated vasectomies or mandated tubal sterilization. I’m not interested in forcing people to get pregnant or not. I’m not pro-life because I want to control people’s bodies or punish people for sex. I just think once a human exists, it's wrong to kill them.
“I regret my abortion” is the easiest pro-life slogan to counter, because all the pro-choice side has to do is put up a woman who says “I don’t regret mine.” Abortion isn’t wrong because women regret it or it hurts them. Abortion is wrong because it kills an innocent person.
No, I don't support mandated vasectomies or mandated tubal sterilization. I’m not interested in forcing people to get pregnant or not. I’m not pro-life because I want to control people’s bodies or punish people for sex. I just think once a human exists, it's wrong to kill them.
Bodily autonomy is important, but you don’t have absolute bodily autonomy. When your actions with your own body are violently harming another person, that is not okay. Bodily autonomy doesn’t grant the right to kill another human person, which is what is happening in an abortion.
Since I believe abortion is the violent and unjust killing of innocent humans, telling me to mind my own business isn’t going to work. We don’t mind our own business about that kind of thing. You have to prove why I’m wrong about what abortion IS.
Abortion is always safer than childbirth? Studies in Scandinavia, where they meticulously report all abortion and childbirth statistics due to their socialized healthcare systems, show that abortion has a higher fatality rate for mothers than childbirth.
Abortion is always safer than childbirth? Studies in Scandinavia, where they meticulously report all abortion and childbirth statistics due to their socialized healthcare systems, show that abortion has a higher fatality rate for mothers than childbirth.
The pro-life position has absolutely nothing to do with "making women into baby factories." It has everything to do with not killing a human who already exists.
The pro-life position has absolutely nothing to do with "making women into baby factories." It has everything to do with not killing a human who already exists.
I’m not arguing that people are obligated to help innocent, vulnerable people with their bodies. I am arguing that people are obligated to not kill innocent, vulnerable people. Especially if you consented to the sex that made them dependent on you in the first place.
#endabortion
Let us be clear: We have no interest in controlling women’s bodies or punishing people for having sex or something. We just want to end legalized killing of innocent human persons, and the unborn are innocent human persons.
"Don't like abortion? Don't have one!"
We're not pro-life because we "don't like abortion." We're pro-life because we think abortion is killing a baby person, and while bodily autonomy is important, it doesn't grant the right to directly, intentionally kill an innocent person.
"Most abortions are done with a pill. The pill doesn’t hurt the fetus, it only severs the connection from the woman.”
Taking away your oxygen tank while you’re at the ocean floor doesn’t hurt you, it only severs your connection with oxygen? That's still killing and still wrong.
I'm not interested in forcing anyone to become pregnant or not become pregnant. I honestly don't care! But once you're pregnant, another human exists, and it's wrong to kill that human. That I DO care about. I care about protecting innocent humans from violence.
“Evicting” a fetus from your uterus is the same as dropping a toddler in the ocean; both are perfectly healthy humans, just too underdeveloped to survive in that environment. Forcing them into an environment where you know they can’t survive is killing and must be illegal.
"A fetus has value the instant the pregnant person decides it has value. Otherwise, it gains personhood at birth in my mind."
I find it HIGHLY concerning that any human's worth - literally their life or death - could be solely dependent on what other people think of them.
If you willingly go swimming with a newborn, you MADE the newborn dependent on you to float, so you do NOT get to revoke consent so they drown and die. If you willingly engaged in sex, you MADE the fetus dependent on you, so you do NOT get to revoke consent via killing them.
"You're forcing women to give birth!"
I'm not interested in forcing people to do anything, but it's clear that we can have laws "forcing" people NOT to do acts of violence against others. So if, as I'm claiming, abortion kills a human person, then abortion must be illegal.
Pro-lifers are oppressing women?
We believe that killing another innocent human is wrong, the kind of wrong that should be illegal. That’s normally not a controversial stance. It's not usually considered “oppressing” people to say you’re not allowed to kill others.
Pregnancy is not exotic. Or a disease. It's a perfectly normal biological process that my body is preparing to do literally every month. Stop degrading women. Stop degrading pregnancy.
The Turnaway Study found that 96% of women who gave birth after being denied an abortion no longer wished they'd aborted. 1 week after being denied an abortion, 35% no longer wished they’d aborted. By birth: 88%. By the child’s1st birthday: 93%. And by 5 years out: 96%.
I am pro-life because we know the unborn are alive, because they’re growing. We know the unborn are human because they have human parents, and I think human beings like me and you are valuable.
A fetus is alive because it has the characteristics of living things; it's growing through cellular reproduction, it’s metabolizing food into energy, and it’s reacting to stimuli. It is uncontroversially ALIVE.
"Don't like abortion? Don't have one!"
We're not pro-life because we "don't like abortion." We're pro-life because we think abortion is killing a baby person, and while bodily autonomy is important, it doesn't grant the right to directly, intentionally kill an innocent person.
Are pro-lifers forcing birth? No. Pro-lifers are promoting the least forceful option, the non-violent option. Because abortion INHERENTLY USES LETHAL FORCE. That’s the whole point.
Your right to have sex is less important than another person’s right to live. Your right to live is more important than another person’s right to have sex.
We can all agree that rape is a horrific and unjust act of violence against an innocent person: the woman. But I don’t think it is right to commit a second act of violence against another innocent person—the child—in order to help solve an already traumatic situation.
"Sex isn’t a contract to incubate a human within your body”
The problem is that pregnancy is being talked about like it is an ACTION instead of an EFFECT. When you consent to actions you are also consenting to that action’s consequences even if you consider them to be undesirable
I’m not arguing that people are obligated to help innocent, vulnerable people with their bodies. I am arguing that people are obligated to not kill innocent, vulnerable people. Especially if you consented to the sex that made them dependent on you in the first place.
#endabortion
I'm not interested in forcing people to get pregnant or to never get pregnant. I'm not pro-life because I want to control people’s bodies or stop people from having sex. Being pro-life is all about being pro-equality and anti-violence against innocent people.
Abortion and miscarriage are the same? That's like the difference between cremation and burning someone alive; sure, they’re both the same thing procedurally (the burning fire part) but there’s a VERY relevant difference of whether the human being burned is alive. Abortion kills.
I'm not pro-life because of a religion. I'm pro-life because I'm pro-equality and anti-violence against innocent people. The unborn are innocent human persons who deserve the same protection from violence that you and I deserve.
If you willingly go swimming with a newborn, you MADE the newborn dependent on you to float, so you do NOT get to revoke consent so they drown and die. If you willingly engaged in sex, you MADE the fetus dependent on you, so you do NOT get to revoke consent via killing them.
Abortion in the case of rape is a very small percentage, but that is still thousands of women per year. These are real women in tragic situations, and they NEED to be discussed. Pro-lifers: Stop dodging the question by saying "it's only 1%!" Be willing to answer hard questions.
"You're forcing women to give birth!"
I'm not interested in forcing people to do anything, but it's clear that we can have laws "forcing" people NOT to do acts of violence against others. So if, as we're claiming, abortion kills a human person, then abortion must be illegal.
I am all for women’s equality, I just think that women’s equality can’t come at the expense of deliberately killing other humans. That’s not equality. That’s transferring oppression elsewhere.
Q: “Would you tolerate abortion if we removed the fetus alive and let it die naturally?”
A: If you purposefully drop a newborn in the ocean, you only moved her environment, but you can’t say “I didn’t kill her, the ocean did.”
That "removal abortion" is still killing. Not okay.
FALSE.
Under Kentucky’s abortion ban, they would have gotten to say goodbye to their daughter. But instead, they went out of state for "a procedure that does not leave the fetus intact.” An abortion. It was an abortion which dismembered their daughter that denied them the goodbye
“Most abortions are done with a pill. The pill doesn’t hurt the fetus, it only severs the connection from the woman.”
Taking away your oxygen tank while you’re at the ocean floor doesn’t hurt you, it only severs your connection with oxygen? That's still killing and still wrong.
Are pro-lifers forcing birth? No. Pro-lifers are promoting the least forceful option, the non-violent option. Because abortion INHERENTLY USES LETHAL FORCE. That’s the whole point.
Are pro-lifers forcing birth? No. Pro-lifers are promoting the least forceful option, the non-violent option. Because abortion INHERENTLY USES LETHAL FORCE. That’s the whole point.
"Abortion is wrong because it hurts women."
Abortion does hurt women. But you know what also hurts women? Smoking. Smoking hurts women, but I don’t think smoking should be illegal.
Abortion isn't wrong BECAUSE it hurts women. It's wrong because it kills an innocent human person.
"Abortion is wrong because it hurts women."
Abortion does hurt women. But you know what also hurts women? Smoking. Smoking hurts women, but I don’t think smoking should be illegal.
Abortion isn't wrong BECAUSE it hurts women. It's wrong because it kills an innocent human person.
"Don't like abortion? Don't have one!"
We're not pro-life because we "don't like abortion." We're pro-life because we think abortion is killing a baby person, and while bodily autonomy is important, it doesn't grant the right to directly, intentionally kill an innocent person.
Once fertilization is complete, it’s not a sperm or egg cell, which are gametes--a type of haploid cell created through meiosis. When the sperm enters the egg, it creates a diploid cell called a zygote. Fertilization is THE event that marks the transition to a single organism.
Bodily autonomy is important, but you don’t have absolute bodily autonomy. When your actions with your own body are violently harming another person, that is not okay. Bodily autonomy doesn’t grant the right to kill another human person, which is what is happening in an abortion.
A fetus in pregnancy isn’t dying and in need of rescuing; the fetus is a perfectly healthy but vulnerable person, and abortion intentionally and directly kills that vulnerable person via suffocation, lethal injection, or dismemberment. That is wrong.
What’s my goal for stopping abortion? I have no interest in controlling women’s bodies or punishing people for having sex or something. I just want to end legalized killing of innocent people, and the unborn are people.
Abortion is wrong because we've probably killed the person who would cure cancer? No. This sounds like we think that people are valuable and its tragic they were killed BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED TO SOCIETY?! No! Humans are valuable because they're humans.
"I simply do not care anymore. Get an abortion if you want to, don't if you don't."
There are innocent vulnerable people being VIOLENTLY KILLED every single day in our country by the thousands. Abortion isn't the kind of thing I'm okay with "just not caring about anymore."
You definitely do have rights to your own body. I don’t think you are obligated to help others by donating a kidney or something. BUT your rights to your own body don’t include the right to kill another person.
"Abortion is wrong because it hurts women."
Abortion does hurt women. But you know what also hurts women? Smoking. Smoking hurts women, but I don’t think smoking should be illegal.
Abortion isn't wrong BECAUSE it hurts women. It's wrong because it kills an innocent human person.
"So you want miscarriage to be illegal"
No. Miscarriage and abortion aren’t the same. A miscarriage is where an embryo or fetus dies of natural causes. It’s wrong to kill an infant, but it shouldn't be criminalized if an infant dies of natural causes. That would make no sense!
Abortion in the case of rape is a very small percentage, but that is still thousands of women per year. These are real women in tragic situations, and they NEED to be discussed. Pro-lifers: Stop dodging the question by saying "it's only 1%!" Be willing to answer hard questions.
I'm not interested in forcing anyone to become pregnant or not become pregnant. I honestly don't care! But once you're pregnant, another human exists, and it's wrong to kill that human. That I DO care about. I care about protecting innocent humans from violence.
Pregnancy and childbirth CAN be very dangerous, but abortion can't qualify as self-defense when the chance of dying from a pregnancy-related complication in the US is 0.017%. If I can kill someone with a 0.017% risk to my life, I can kill just about anyone and claim self-defense.
One of the most common pro-choice arguments is “don‘t like abortion, don‘t have one,” but that statement completely misses the point of our pro-life case. We don’t merely believe elective abortion is wrong for us individually. We believe elective abortion is wrong for everyone.
"You're forcing women to give birth!"
I'm not interested in forcing people to do anything, but it's clear that we can have laws "forcing" people NOT to do acts of violence against others. So if, as we're claiming, abortion kills a human person, then abortion must be illegal.
Abortion is a conflict of rights issue. Science says a living human is killed in an abortion, & I can't think of a logical way to justify equal rights for all BORN humans while EXCLUDING unborn ones. Bodily autonomy is important but doesn't give the right to KILL another person.
Abortion in the case of rape is a very small percentage, but that is still thousands of women per year. These are real women in tragic situations, and they NEED to be discussed. Pro-lifers: Stop dodging the question by saying "it's only 1%!" Be willing to answer hard questions.
About half of women who experience unplanned pregnancies were on contraceptives that month. Half.
PC: "If you REALLY wanted to end abortion, you'd be handing out contraceptives!"
That isn't going to end abortion. That's not my feelings about contraceptives. That's reality.
A fetus in pregnancy isn’t dying and in need of rescuing; the fetus is a perfectly healthy but vulnerable person, and abortion intentionally and directly kills that vulnerable person via suffocation, lethal injection, or dismemberment. That is wrong.
“I regret my abortion” is the easiest pro-life slogan to counter, because all the pro-choice side has to do is put up a woman who says “I don’t regret mine.” Abortion isn’t wrong because women regret it or it hurts them. Abortion is wrong because it kills an innocent person.
The unborn is not part of a body like a skin cell, and it doesn't get constructed like a house. From fertilization, it is a whole organism with its own parts on a self-propelled path to maturity. It just needs nutrition and the proper environment: the same two things I need now!
I am all for women’s equality, I just think that women’s equality can’t come at the expense of deliberately killing other humans. That’s not equality. That’s transferring oppression elsewhere.
You can be pro-choice, but pathologizing pregnancy isn’t a good look.
My body isn’t fighting pregnancy, my body is specifically trying to make pregnancy happen. Just a few examples:
Science is incredibly clear that the unborn are biologically a distinct member of the species Homo sapiens. They’re alive, have unique human DNA, and are whole organisms on a self-directed path to maturity, not part of an organism like a skin cell or a sperm cell.
I’m against the death penalty, but I don’t think you HAVE to be against the death penalty logically in order to be pro-life. If you oppose abortion because it kills an innocent human person, it doesn’t follow that you MUST oppose killing a guilty human person.
Pregnancy and childbirth CAN be very dangerous, but abortion can't qualify as self-defense when the chance of dying from a pregnancy-related complication in the US is 0.017%. If I can kill someone with a 0.017% risk to my life, I can kill just about ANYONE and claim self-defense!
"So you want miscarriage to be illegal?"
No. Miscarriage and abortion aren’t the same. A miscarriage is where an embryo or fetus dies of natural causes. It’s wrong to kill an infant, but it shouldn't be criminalized if an infant dies of natural causes. That would make no sense!
Since I believe abortion is the violent and unjust killing of innocent humans, telling me to mind my own business isn’t going to work. We don’t mind our own business about that kind of thing. You have to prove why I’m wrong about what abortion IS.
Abortion and miscarriage are the same? That's like the difference between cremation and burning someone alive; sure, they’re both the same thing procedurally (the burning fire part) but there’s a VERY relevant difference of whether the human being burned is alive. Abortion kills.
If the fetus is a parasite...then miscarriage is a success story? Loss parents' bodies were way better at “defeating” their “parasitic” children than the bodies of parents who got to bring their live newborn babies home?
This narrative is unbelievably ignorant and disrespectful.
Pro-lifers are oppressing women?
I believe that killing another innocent human is wrong, the kind of wrong that should be illegal. That’s normally not a controversial stance. It's not usually considered “oppressing” people to say you’re not allowed to kill others.
Me saying "someone killing you should be against the law" isn’t violating the separation of church and state. So me saying "abortion should be against the law" isn’t violating the separation of church and state either. It’s about equality and anti-violence for all humans.
Q: “Would you tolerate abortion if we removed the fetus alive and let it die naturally?”
A: If you purposefully drop a newborn in the ocean, you only moved her environment, but you can’t say “I didn’t kill her, the ocean did.”
That "removal abortion" is still killing. Not okay.
Using viability for personhood means a 24-week-old fetus is a person today, but that same fetus 30 years ago isn't, or that same fetus TODAY in a different country without a NICU suddenly isn't a person anymore! Personhood can’t depend on when or where you happen to exist.
What’s our goal for stopping abortion? We have no interest in controlling women’s bodies or punishing people for having sex or something. We just want to end legalized killing of innocent people, and the unborn are people.
“Most abortions are done with a pill. The pill doesn’t hurt the fetus, it only severs the connection from the woman.”
Taking away your oxygen tank while you’re at the ocean floor doesn’t hurt you, it only severs your connection with oxygen?! That's still killing and still wrong.
Elective abortion is the deliberate killing of an unborn human via suffocation, lethal injection, or dismemberment. We're arguing that intentional killing of other human persons is wrong. That’s not usually a controversial position.
"Sex isn’t a contract to incubate a human within your body”
The problem is that pregnancy is being talked about like it is an ACTION instead of an EFFECT. When you consent to actions you are also consenting to that action’s consequences even if you consider them to be undesirable
"I simply do not care anymore. Get an abortion if you want to, don't if you don't."
There are innocent vulnerable people being VIOLENTLY KILLED every single day in our country by the thousands. Abortion isn't the kind of thing we're okay with ""just not caring about anymore.
"A fetus has value the instant the pregnant person decides it has value. Otherwise, it gains personhood at birth in my mind."
I find it HIGHLY concerning that any human's worth - literally their life or death - could be solely dependent on what other people think of them.
If someone is dying of kidney failure, you can legally choose not to save them. But you may not kill them yourself. In pregnancy, there is no “just refuse to help” option—abortion is suffocation, lethal injection, or dismemberment of another biological human.
#endabortion
It's simple: it generally shouldn’t be legal to kill people and a fetus is a person with an equal right to life. Abortion should be illegal; it's a lethal act of violence against an innocent person. I'm saying “don’t kill," which is NOT the same as forcing someone to do something
We're pro-life, not pro-forced-birth. I'm saying that killing another person shouldn't be a legitimate option on the table. Our government has TONS of laws that "force" you NOT to do things that harm others. Saying "you can't kill" is not the same as forcing you to do something.