@CyberSnark Make them sit shadow with your average cyber-security expert and maybe they'll change their mind. I've used this for people who want to get into my area of expertise. They no longer ask me for career advice.

@ComradeUnix I was dismissed with the “thanks” … astonished at the disrespect. My grad school HAMMERED respect into our brains.

@CyberSnark They asked for help getting a cyber security job so I guess I can understand why they didn’t accept the alt path. Doesn’t seem rude to me, just direct. They could consider an apprenticeship. They won’t make 6 figs but they’ll get the experience they need.

@Cybergeeg I’ll send this along! I still asked for their resume and gave them my email. I’m still happy to help.

@CyberSnark What does “cybersecurity job” mean to them? For people with a non-tech background or no previous related experience, I usually recommend GRC. It helps introduce the language and gives many routes to branch out to.

@dmoore21 Good advice!! I’ll pass on.

@CyberSnark Just ask them if they know how a operating system works

@ZappaRivard Why?

@CyberSnark Oh my gosh. May I ask for that same information instead? I PROMISE I will take notes and say thank you

@BlakeA5 Hit me on LinkedIn

@CyberSnark I've given up trying in infosec. Even with a technical background, I can't even find roles for tech support. No chance of me getting anything in red/blue team. 😥

@rfpeixoto @BowTiedCyber

@CyberSnark Any suggestions for a person who is willing to work and learn, but also needs more than a help desk salary? I need to get out of my current career, but I also have to balance bills and family obligations. Any guidance would be appreciated.

@JAGGED44 My brother started with Udemy, then @BHinfoSecurity (extremely affordable for beginners), and then also looked into @thecybermentor 's program, all while saving to get his degree and now is back in school. 39 with a family, it's a marathon not a sprint. I believe in you.

@CyberSnark I’m currently “mentoring” someone who is very picky about pay and wants to avoid putting in the grind in a helps desk or SOC. No experience yet wants 120k and a mid tier position. Some people don’t want advice but your help in stepping on you to get what they want

@CyberSnark I have given advice to people in this situation to consider talking to their cyber security lead and asking if there's a Security Ambassador, Security Point of Contact or similar program with SMEs in other departments representing Security. Example: A developer or Finance person

@CyberSnark It should be possible because there is a great amount of social engineering roles that could be filled by competent professionals with other skill levels but don't count on it cybersecurity has evolved or rather developed into a club of certificates, JAD sessions and

@CyberSnark dependency on tools vs creativity and tools.

@mrh4zy Business degree.