@MatthewRideout Sounds like skill issue to me, no dev in his right man should use tedious boilerplate over simplified state management library.

@samarsheikh001 what boilerplate

@MatthewRideout Separation of concern should be a concern for dev not on state management library

@samarsheikh001 exactly why bloc shines, it was built to perfectly mesh with common architecture patterns that perform this separation.

@MatthewRideout I did 10 months of coding in Flutter and 95% of it was dealing with design patterns+ bloc and 5% of actual coding.

@matinzd design patterns are mostly the same in any language. has nothing to do with bloc.

@MatthewRideout Now try to use it to manage a form. 🤣 It’s great sometimes but pain often.

@nonlinear_james it's exactly the same as updating riverpod forms. you have a class and validator and onchange handlers

@MatthewRideout When it first came out I spent more time writing bloc boilerplate than app code 🙈

@Jordy_vD_ I've been using riverpod for years, just tried to create a proof of concept spike based on the latest version and docs, and I can't figure it out! The bloc / cubit boilerplate feels like a slightly opinionated way of how I already construct my classes and business logic.

@MatthewRideout 💯 A little more structure for stream mechanics goes a long way.

@MatthewRideout Bloc is great, I'm a day-one fan I would however like to point out the miss in failing to name this "Loco" instead of bloc

@MatthewRideout lol, %100. I was implementing bloc after early flutter talks even before the package. never changed it in the last 5 years.

@MatthewRideout Sounds a lot like a state machine

@MatthewRideout So it’s view model?

@MatthewRideout Skill issue

@MatthewRideout Riverpod with code gen has always been a big nope for me - that’s pushing it too far - I find bare Riverpod to be pretty nice

@MatthewRideout Once you know how to write code with Riverpod (with code gen), it's good tbh. But I agree that the new documentation is really bad, it just give you one example and leaves you on your own to figure out the rest. Don't know how bloc is now, too much boilerplate when I used it

@MatthewRideout Good choice 👍

@MatthewRideout for people complaining about boilerplate code, bloc has a plugin that generates boilerplate code with one click. Also freezed package is quite suitable for events and states (also the plugin has an option to generate code for freezed)